BK>>>> So, my musing analysis leads to this question, when
you reach the
  BK>>>> point where you can't actually tell if a computer's response is
  BK>>>> just a program line, or actual intelligence, can that be
  BK>>>> considered the dividing line between programming and artificial
  BK>>>> intelligence?

 AK> Suppose you have two logical tasks. They can be done both
 AK> by a human or a robot. The dividing line that exists
 AK> between a human and robot lies not in the logic. A live
 AK> being can feel happiness, emotions, love -- in short things
 AK> that cannot be programmed or defined as an algorithm.

 I don't know whether or not they could someday be programmed,
 however, I do see where an artificial intelligence could be a
 sociopath.

 AK> So, there is no difference between programming and
 AK> artificial intelligence. And we can also say that human
 AK> feelings have nothing to do with intelligence, and human

 That is a possible part of the definition.

 AK> feelings never will be programmed in robots. Because the

 If you programmed the responses to mimic human feelings to the
 point where no one could tell the difference, would there be a
 difference?

 AK> core of the matter is a human consciousness, that is an
 AK> incorporial thing. More of that, nobody understand it, not
 AK> speaking about reproduction.

 That is why I am musing on the questions. We do not know much
 about it, thus how do we judge it?

  AK>>> A strange question. How do you suppose to create artificial
  AK>>> intelligence without programming? So, according to atheists

  BK>> Well, they would. The question is, when is the programming good
  BK>> enough to be intelligence?

 AK> Making robots is easy. They can do (repeat) any intelligent
 AK> tasks. But nobody knows how to create consciousness and
 AK> awareness of self. Or to understand what is inspiration....

 Not yet. Does intelligence require awareness of self? All that I
 don't believe anyone knows, but a lot of self anointed
 philosophers will proclaim thier truths as if they were truths.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... Cthulhu is a pawn of Barney!
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