On 01-26-98 David Martorana wrote to Day Brown... 
 DM>  DB> I've been fooling with the idea of complete Chaos, and find 
 DM>  DB> that it supplies the usual idea of no-thing, except that the 
 DM>  DB> former is capable of generating the universe out of nothing. 
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 DM>      I tend to believe that both our conceptual and vocabulary 
 DM>      limits are somewhat against us. We are probably dealing with 
 DM>      elements of existence that are (for now) a bit beyond what 
 DM>      the human mind can shape into meaning. 
Beyond the 'normal' mind.  Yet, 'normal' people today suspect the 
Guru, mystic, Zen master, Yogi, etc. may have a further knowing. 
Joseph Campbell ads to that list the shamen of various primitive 
cultures.  He further points out the similarity between these so- 
called 'primitive' Amerind, Siberian, & Polynesian uses of symbol 
and myth that seem to be identical paleo-Greek myth & iconography 
found in digs that go back 5-10k years. 
 
Published since his death have been reports of psychedelic herbs 
and mushrooms that were used by these pre-historic shamen.  Thus, 
I conclude, that they too, had ab-normal minds to conceptualize, 
and deal with, these limits. 
 
 
 DM>  DB> The idea that the universe *must* have been created by plan fails 
 DM>  DB> to appreciate the enormous amount of time available to simply let 
 DM>  DB> it all happen. 
 DM>   
 DM>      It might be an even more enormous plan, not fully appreciated 
 DM>      by time! 
 DM>   
 DM>  DB> This idea does *not* exclude the existence of God, 
 DM>  DB> but suggests that he is the first witness. 
 DM>   
 DM>   Unable to exclude "ANYTHING", I'm not sure what your "suggestion" 
 DM>   means here other than to joy a personal notion! BUT! ....it's OK! 
My suggestion is, that God is, by choice or otherwise, subject to 
some limits.  Which too, may well be the 'plan', i.e. to permit a 
degree of free will, if for no other reason. 
 
 DM>  DB> Thus, Chaos can be, as it often is, the cause of bad shit. 
 DM>   
 DM>      I believe this is an undersimplification of an unknowable- 
 DM>      Please explain....! .....or was it meant to be a parting 
 DM>      "fart in the wind" ?  Your assumed question/meaning (as I 
 DM>      tranlate it), is suggestive of our growing up with reality 
 DM>      in the process of being educated ??? or do I assume wrongly? 
Sure. Chaos is like the 'invisible hand' of the market place; it 
presents a set of rules, that no matter how we dislike what they 
result in, we cannot change the fundamentals.
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 * OFFLINE 1.58 * Graverobber: liberal view of a contemporary archeologist. 
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