USA (no{at}thanks.com) writes:
> On 2 Mar 2005 22:50:46 GMT, dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven)
> wrote:
>
>>USA (no{at}thanks.com) writes:
>>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:51:26 -0800, "Society"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Ian"  wrote in message
>>>>news:1109764223.671967.22850{at}g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian reported...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.
>>>>> >
html?in_article_id=339771&in_page_id=1787&in_a_source=
>>>>> >
>>>>> >   "On the word of a serial fantasist and liar,
>>>>> >   an innocent man is convicted of rape,
>>>>> >   one of the most loathsome crimes in the book.
>>>>> >   He is not only sent to jail, but loses his job,
>>>>> >   his house, his car and his reputation.
>>>>>
>>>>> So much for guilty unless proved innocent.
>>>>
>>>>Yup, that's the standard that mouth-breathers apply
>>>>when a woman accuses a man.
>>>>
>>>>But, among adults capable of rational thought,
>>>>these cases demonstrate that a woman's accusation
>>>>of "rape!" alone cannot reach the standard of "guilty
>>>>beyond a reasonable doubt" that is required in
>>>>civilized nations to properly and honestly convict
>>>>a man of a crime.
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what the Jury feels about the fact that
>>>>> they sent a man down just because it was
>>>>> his word against hers, and they felt sorry for her
>>>>> because she cried.
>>>>
>>>>That's part of the problem, Ian, "the Jury feels".
>>>>"Feels" instead of thinks.
>>>
>>> Granted there are a lot of pussy men out there these days (most raised
>>> by single mothers who watched plenty of Oprah shows), but I still
>>> believe the way to get rid of stupid juries is to return to the days
>>> when women were not allowed to serve on juries.  A lot of that "I
>>> feel....blah blah blah" would quickly disappear and cases
would once
>>> again be deliberated on facts.
>>
>>The fine film " Twelve Angry *Men* " might serve as a primer on how
>>to approach the facts in a case...
>
> Just saw that movie again and still find it to be a very good film
> even though there is much in it's content I do not agree with.  Oddly
> enough had I been on that jury I would not have let Henry Fonda
> bulldoze me as he did to several others.  Knowing what I did about the
> details of the case, I'd probably have hung the jury before I'd have
> went along with Fonda's line of persuasion.

I can see such a view, though I will say that I considered his
method to be one of trying to collect more facts, and then to
present them, using their truth to overpower more emotional
views. Not a bad expression of men's values of facts over
feelings.

>>It might well be... interesting to compare and contrast that
>>artifact from a non Feminised time and culture with the latest
>>offering from the Law And Order franchise machine, " Trial By
>>Jury ".
>
> I don't watch those shows (never have) so I can't comment on how
> differently juries are portrayed there.

Well, I'm not big on the crime and legal shows, though my S/O
likes the original CSI show. But, that doesn't cover courtroom
action. Its about the techies.

>>I make no claims about these demonstrating facts, as they're,
>>of course, both fiction. But their cultural views might be very
>>tellimg, about the differing values of their differing times.
>>
>>>>And, even more frighteningly,
>>>>there was a judge who sat in this court and didn't toss
>>>>out this case when the prosecutor so obviously could
>>>>not get close to overcoming reasonable doubt.
>>>
>>> I don't know a thing about this case but the second way to get rid of
>>> stupid juries and bad verdicts is to get women judges off the bench.
>>> After that, there should be a mandatory retirement age for judges of
>>> about 45.  Anything older seems to produce chivalrous old men judges
>>> who worry about taking care of any "poor little"
female accused of a
>>> crime.  This won't get rid of all bias, of course, but it would be a
>>> start.
>>>
>>>>Sheesh.
>>>
>>> Yup.

Andre


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