Flaig wrote:
> I think the main problem the birthed the "no difference" between the
> sexes philosophy is the problem of men thinking that their inherent
> skills are better skills than women's inherent skills.

You mean mothers raising sons to get them to do all the dirty work in
the world.

> Traditionally> almost all left brain processes have been seen as
superior to right> brain or more empathic processes.
>

Women could always lean on a mans shoulders for protection, I doubt
feminists would provide that same opportunity.

> Had there been "equality" of value toward the variant skills then
there
> would not be such a strong outcry against the perceived
"stereotyping"
> of women.

You mean to say mens lives being treated equally to that of womens
lives, since this is still not the case, that is the sexism at the root
of all sexism's.

> It is precisely because of thousands of years of exalting
> "male skills" and dismissing "female skills" that
has brought about
> this current conundrum.

Women don't get credit for "male skills" like building the bricks and
mortar of civilisation - he alone continues to perform the bulk of the
burdens in society. She is the self preserving sexist.


> Would you want to be associated with that which
> has been deemed "lesser" for most of our history as a species?

Mens lives are deemed "Lesser"  - let me know when sexist women decide
to pull equal weight in making their lives as expendable as mens.

> Also, for me, the point of trying end gender bias as well as sexual
> orientation bias is precisely because the "norm" is only a
statistical
> construct. Generalizing what one "type" can do versus
another "type"
> because of statistics makes for a lack of awareness of the those
> individuals who do not fit the "type" and it is well past time to set
> men and women on either end of a spectrum when there are many, many,
> many who fit at various points on that spectrum. Masculine women,
> feminine men, androgynous people and so forth.

I'm still waiting for the influx of females students with equal math
ability in developing Linux kernels, low level device drivers.

Its just that this type of work is about "talking" with machines.

> I, a female, did not like to play with dolls. I wanted cars and
trucks
> for toys. I wanted to play outside with the boys and play army and
ride
> my "chopped" bicycle and so forth. I never felt I fit in with my
> parents expectations of me as a "girl" or later as a
"woman" - it was
> hard on them and it was hard on me. I grew up in the late 50s, early
> 60s when there weren't many gender role models that did not fit the
> proscribed norm. That norm is damaging to people like me and many
> others I have known who also did not fit the model that society tried
> to force them into.

Good for you, how about being a non self preserving sexist and share
the manload?

>
> American culture is supposed to be a culture of individuals and not a
> culture of predetermined roles.

"ROles" are still very much with us - women shy away from performing
any lifethreatening or lifestyle depriving work.

WOmen are still the uber sexists of the cosmos - men the unsung heroes.



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