On 2 Mar 2005 13:11:58 -0800, "MASCULIST{at}gmail.com"
 wrote:

>
>Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> On 28 Feb 2005 12:57:20 -0800, "MASCULIST{at}gmail.com"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> On 28 Feb 2005 08:25:50 -0800, "Turin"

>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> >> On 27 Feb 2005 17:30:56 -0800,
"MASCULIST{at}gmail.com"
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >ddnoe{at}bellsouth.net wrote:
>> >> >> >> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:10:18 +0000, Freeman
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > >...with a nipple fetish.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Two former employees of the
Gorilla Foundation, home to
>Koko
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> > >"talking" ape, have
filed a lawsuit contending that they
>> >were
>> >> >> >> ordered
>> >> >> >> > >to bond with the 33-year-old
female simian by displaying
>> >their
>> >> >> >> > >breasts.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Nancy Alperin and Kendra
Keller, both of San Francisco,
>are
>> >> >taking
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> > >the Woodside nonprofit and its
president, Francine
>"Penny"
>> >> >> >> Patterson.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Their lawsuit, filed Tuesday
in San Mateo County Superior
>> >> >Court,
>> >> >> >> > >alleges sexual discrimination,
wrongful termination in
>> >> >retaliation
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> > >reporting health and safety
violations, and failure to
>pay
>> >> >> >overtime
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> > >provide rest breaks.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >It seeks more than $1 million
total in damages for the
>two
>> >> >women.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >The suit follows complaints
filed by Alperin and Keller
>in
>> >> >January
>> >> >> >> > >with the California Department
of Fair Employment and
>> >Housing,
>> >> >in
>> >> >> >> > >which they gave identical
reasons for why they were
>fired:
>> >"I
>> >> >> >> refused
>> >> >> >> > >to expose my breast to perform
acts of bestiality with
>one
>> >of
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> > >gorillas."
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >The lawsuit goes into more detail.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >One example: "On at least
two incidents in mid-to-late
>June
>> >> >2004,
>> >> >> >> > >Patterson intensely pressured
Keller to expose herself to
>> >Koko
>> >> >> >while
>> >> >> >> > >they were working outside
where other employees could
>> >> >potentially
>> >> >> >> view
>> >> >> >> > >Keller's naked body. ... On
one such occasion, Patterson
>> >said,
>> >> >> >> 'Koko,
>> >> >> >> > >you see my nipples all the
time. You are probably bored
>with
>> >my
>> >> >> >> > >nipples. You need to see new
nipples. I will turn my back
>so
>> >> >> >Kendra
>> >> >> >> > >can show you her nipples.' "
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>>>http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/18/BAGM9BDI191.DTL
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Whoa!  Some Martian
anthropologist's face is pretty red
>right
>> >> >now.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > This could only have happened in
the San Fran Freakshow
>Bay
>> >> >Area.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> (Denise Noe) Since you wonder what my
reaction is to this
>> >story, I
>> >> >> >will
>> >> >> >> give it to you.  I was alarmed and
saddened when I read
>this.
>> >I
>> >> >hope
>> >> >> >> with all my heart that it is false but find it
>> >all-too-believable
>> >> >> >that
>> >> >> >> Penny Patterson might have asked
something like this of her
>> >> >> >employees.
>> >> >> >> The word "nipple" comes up in
Koko's conversations quite
>often.
>> >> >> >> Patterson and others at the Gorilla
Foundation tend to
>indulge
>> >the
>> >> >> >> ape's whims. If these women were
pressured to do something
>as
>> >> >gross
>> >> >> >as
>> >> >> >> this, they definitely deserve to win
that lawsuit.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >They need a male supervisor.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>     BTW, Grizzlie, did you read my
thread about my article
>> >about
>> >> >men
>> >> >> >> and homelessness?  I'd be most
interested to hear what you
>> >think
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'd like to read it.  I'm kind of an expert
on the subject.
>What
>> >> >> >thread is it?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yo GA.  What did I do wrong now?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Tom
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What did you do wrong now WHAT?  The word
"now" sounds like a
>ploy
>> >on
>> >> >> your part to make it seem as though we've had a
reconciliation
>> >since
>> >> >> June 2003.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We have never reconciled.  We never WILL
reconcile.  Nothing
>has
>> >> >> changed since June 2003.  Why don't you just
leave me alone?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Since June 2003, that is all that I've ever
demanded of you.
>Just
>> >> >> leave me alone.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >hahaha ...another infight amongst the backstabbers....
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is not a problem of yours, Turd.
>> >>
>> >> By virtue of the fact that you have no friends, no allies, no
>peers,
>> >> and no one who pays the slightest bit of attention to anything
>that
>> >> you do or say, you have certainly immunized yourself from
>> >"infighting"
>> >> or feelings of betrayal.
>> >
>> >Hear, hear on Turdin.
>> >
>> >June 2003?  The only disagreement I remember was over Wendy McElroy
>and
>> >me being too chummy with her.  You turned out to be right.
>> >
>> >Tom
>>
>>
>> Then I guess that you sacrificed our friendship for nothing, didn't
>> you?
>>
>> Trying to make bullshit political alliances with man-hating
>> Pistol-Packing butch feminist pig Wendy McElroy was only bad
>politics.
>>
>> Conspiring with her to try to send me to prison was an unforgivable
>> personal affront.
>
>That never happenned.  I hardly had any email communication with her
>and I probably still have the emails.  I will dig them up and check
>what went on.


This is what went on.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.men/browse_frm/thread/315976957ebbb3d7/07d71b70bd7736cd?q=%22my+apology+to+wendy+mcelroy+and+a+clarification%22&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fq%3D%22my+apology+to+wendy+mcelroy+and+a+clarification%22%26qt_s%3DSearch+Groups%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#07d71b70bd7736cd

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