"Hyerdahl"  wrote in message
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>
> MCP wrote:
>
> Various feminists proclaim that women are 'under siege', that a
> monstrous social bias against them, if not a virtual war, is going on,
> that women have little respect or power (Steinem, Faludi, Tavris, etc.)
>
> This is not a new proclaimation, nor is it untrue.  There are men in
> every country who want women bound in some fashion either by using
> direct and indirect discrimination against them.  As to respect, I
> don't know of any point in time when men gave respect to women the same
> way the give and receive it themselves.  However, women today are
> seeking respect from other women and don't seem to care as much about
> what men choose to respect.
>
>  Yet the notion of the American woman as a powerless
"victim" is one of
> the most absurd notions ever foisted upon anyone.
>
> I agree with you in that American women are more powerful than women in
> third world nations.  :-)  But then, so are men.  :-)
>
> American women live, on average, seven years
>  longer than men.
>
> Men could easily do that if they made better health and risk choices.
> They simply don't.
>
>  They control 86 % of all prsonal wealth [PARADE Magazine,
>  May 27, 1990],
>
> No they don't.  They were tracking the widows of dead men.  :-)
>
> and make up 55% of current college graduates.
>
> Yes, that is true.
>
> Women cast 54% of the votes in Presidential elections, so they can
> hardly claim to be left out of the political decision-making process!
>
> As there is no equal female representation, they are indeed excluded in
> that representation.  Until women have equal rep.they will be
> underepreseted.
>
> They win almost automatically in child custody disputes.
>
> They only win when they are primary caregivers which the couple
> themselves put into action.  When men are primary caregivers, they win
> just as often or more.
>
>  Women suffer only 6% of the work-related fatalities (the other 94% are
> suffered by men).
>
> Work related fatalities fail to include the home, where many women
> work.  And we all know that most accidents happen ...at home.
>
> Women are the victim of only about 35% of violent crimes, and only
> about 25% of all murders, yet because of our society's exaggerated
> concern and respect for them, special
> > legislation has been passed to punish "violence against
women" as if
> it were a more heinous crime than "violence against men".
>
> Women don't perpetrate that violence and we protect the Amish before we
> protect two gang bangers.  :-)
>
>  (Feminists claim to want> "equality", and this is an
example of what
> "equality" means to them, i.e., preferential treatment to
address their
> concerns).
>
> It's perfectly ok to be preferential to groups NOT causing the
> violence.  Society has done that throughout history.
>
> Two out of every three dollars spent on health care is spent on women,
> and even if you don't count pregnancy-related care, women still receive
> more medical care than men - yet
> > feminists still holler that womens health is being
"neglected", and
> far too> many of us credulously believe them.
>
> Health funding by private organizations can be spent on whatever those
> organizations wish to fund.  Grant money is sought under the grant
> process and if you prove up a need that money is granted on a
> non-sexist basis.  Blaming women for going that extra mile to acquire
> grant money smells of sour grapes to me.  Also, women's pregnancy
> related conditions express themselves long after pregnancy occurs i.e.
> ovarian cancer.  Surely men benefit by gestation and those things
> stemming from gestation should be covered.
>
> Of the 25 worst jobs, as ranked by the> Jobs Related Almanac based on a
> combination of salary, stress, security, and
> physical demands, 24 of them are predominantly, if not almost entirely,
> male, which might explain why men commit over 80% of all suicides.
>
> People CHOOSE the work they do.  Stop blaming women for men making poor
> choices.  AND, since men are more violent in every other way, why would
> you think they would be less violent in how they attempt suicide?
>
>  (Most of> these statistics come from The Myth of Male Power by Warren
> Farrell.)
>
> Warren Farrell is that dude accused of talking about the "positive
> effects of incest" between adults and children, no?
>
>  Now, if it were really the case, as feminists claim, that men have
> selfishly> arranged everything to be wonderful for themselves,
> absolutely ignoring womens' legitimate concerns and needs, would the
> above be true?
>
> No one ever said that, nor need feminists make that point in order to
> demand equal rights, equal treatment and equal opportunity.  Feminists
> know that selfish men will be selfish whether or not women label them.
> :-)  AND, women are now in a position to be concerned over their own
> rights, and don't need sexist men to be concerned at all.
>
>  Of course> not. It is much more realistic to suggest that women have
> cleverly seized the upper hand by pretending to be helplessly trapped
> below!
>
> Again, how equal is too equal.  Women have indeed seized the day, by
> their bloodless coup de grace.  :-)  They have secured equal rights at
> law, here in the west, and are now all about enforcing it, which is why
> bitter boys like you are yowling.
> >
>




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