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from: Dg411{at}freenet.Carleton.Ca
date: 2005-03-07 00:08:00
subject: Re: Looking for `reasoned discourse`

Doug Anderson (ethelthelogremovethis{at}yahoo.com) writes:
> Doug Laidlaw  writes:
>
>> Andre Lieven wrote:
>>
>> > Doug Laidlaw (laidlaws{at}myaccess.com.au) writes:
>> >> Doug Anderson wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Doug Anderson (ethelthelogremovethis{at}yahoo.com) writes:
>> >>>> > dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) writes:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> Doug Anderson
(ethelthelogremovethis{at}yahoo.com) evades and
>> >>>> >> ad homs:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > (snip rest of ravings)
>> >
>> > And, that was the ad hom. The evasion of what facts were presented,
>> > and the naming of said facts, unrefuted as they were, as being
>> > " ravings ", which means " the ravings of the
*person* I dislike. "
>> >
>> > Thats a reduction of debate, TO the *person*. Classic ad hom.
>> >
>> >>>> Translation: " As I could not refute what he
wrote, I made it go
>> >>>> away, so that my failure to refute would be less
noticable. "
>> >>>
>> >>> You haven't presented any arguments, so there is
really nothing to
>> >>> refute.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry guys, I wish that I hadn't started this.
>> >
>> > Thats OK, only Mr. Anderson did that.
>> >
>> >> No, "ad hominem" doesn't mean "unsupported
argument" but it is usually
>> >> the resort of those who can't support their arguments.
>> >
>> > Indeed, and that Mr. Anderson tried to label what he could NOT
>> > debate/refute as " ravings " was the ad hom, as
well as displaying
>> > his inability to debate/refute the topic.
>> >
>> > So, both were present, in this case.
>> >
>> > Andre
>>
>> O.K. As I said. this is the wrong place.  I don't think that Doug saw it,
>> not as a question of having no answer, but rather that your arguments were
>> so full of "coloured" i.e. inflammatory language that he
couldn't find
>> anything in them to answer.
>
> Yes, that is the case.  Andre made a claim.  He then provided a
> sequence of quotes (which I imagine to be correct) and stated that
> they proved his claim.

And, they stand... unrefuted by you.

> They don't,

No proof offered ? Claim fails.

> and there is really nothing there to try to "refute."

See above.

Did I predict this ? Feminists commonly DENY when facts stare
them in the face. Nothing new from Misandrist Anderson.

Andre

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
                                    The Man Prayer, Red Green.


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