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from: Steve Oostrom
date: 2002-12-17 00:24:32
subject: [trekcreative] Latinum

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>What if it is a form of hypermatter?

But in Steve-Trek, it cannot be.  Morn drank the stuff in that episode, and
if it was hypermatter and existing in Steve-Trek, Morn would have been in a
lot of pain as the cells in his stomach froze.  Of course, somebody else
could interpret latinum differently and say it is hyper- matter--which
means it could be used in a warp drive.

>The moment you assume that, it becomes useless as a monetary
"metal". A)
Governments could mint as much as they could stand leading to immediate
inflation, and technically skilled and gifted people far and wide would
hack replicators to bypass the restriction.

When I first heard of latinum, that's the first thing I thought of.  Why co= uld they
simply not replicate it as needed.  In fact, I once planned a scene (but ne= ver
wrote it) where an Odonan ship was at Deep Space Nine and members of the
crew was losing money at the dabo table.  Quark said that he liked when
Odonan ships came to his bar because they would lose latinum by the
handful=
,
and not seem particularly concerned about it.  Then Rom said that the Odona= ns
were not concerned because they could go back to their ship and replicate m= ore.
I never used the scene since it didn't seem to "fit," and now
would be cont= rary to
my views on the matter.  I doubt any other episodes ever mentioned why lati= num
could not be replicated.

>I don't see this as a bad limitation. This means it's practically
unstealable by any process with a transporter in it

True.  That's one advantage.  I was also thinking that perhaps latinum is a= lso
more stable when alloyed with gold in gold-pressed latinum.  It still requi= es some
thought to fully explain what it is, but then again, it has not played much=
 of a role
in Steve-Trek so far.

>I would think transporting anti-matter would be dangerous mainl;y because
you'd have anti-matter in two places and half a containment unit in two
places.  This could be bad.

>However, In Jay Trek small amount of Anti-Matter are transported.  The
transporter can contain the anti-matter safely while it rebuilds the
containment vessel and then places the anti-matter inside.

That's true, but I'm not sure if "Next Generation" established
whether or n= ot you could
not beam antimatter by definition, or because of the problems with containm= ent.
Containment is not a problem, since the annular confinement beam and the st= asis
process involved basically "freezes" everything in an inert state
for the d= uration of the
transport process.  Naturally, it would not be a good thing if half your
he= art is beating
half your blood through half your blood vessels during a transport. 
Everyt= hing freezes
for the duration.  Nevertheless, when transporting antimatter in quantity, = standard
practice is to use two containers.  The empty container is beamed over
firs= t and activated,
and then the antimatter is beamed out of the container that is still on
boa= rd the ship and
into the second container at the other location.  I don't accept that
antim= atter cannot
be transported by definition.

Steve
The Universe Unbounded.

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>What if it is a form of hypermatter?
 
But in Steve-Trek, it cannot
be.  Morn drank
the stuff in that episode,
and if it was hypermatter and existing in
Steve-Trek, Morn would have
been in a lot of pain as the cells
in his stomach
froze.  Of course,
somebody else could interpret
latinum differently
and say it is hyper-
matter--which means it could be
used in a warp
drive.
 
>The moment you assume that, it becomes useless as a
monetary "metal".
A)Governments could mint as much as they could stand leading to
immediateinflation, and technically skilled and gifted people far
and wide wouldhack replicators to bypass the
restriction.
When I first heard of latinum,
that's the first
thing I thought of.  Why could they
simply not replicate it as
needed.  In fact,
I
once planned a scene (but never
wrote it) where an Odonan ship was
at Deep Space
Nine and members of the
crew was losing money at the dabo
table. 
Quark said that he liked when
Odonan ships came to his bar
because they would
lose latinum by the handful,
and not seem particularly concerned about
it. 
Then Rom said that the Odonans
were not concerned because they
could go back to
their ship and replicate more.
I never used the scene since it
didn't seem to
"fit," and now would be contrary to
my views on the matter.
 I doubt any other
episodes ever mentioned why
latinum
could not be
replicated.
 
>I don't see this as a bad limitation. This means it's
practicallyunstealable by any process with a transporter in it
 
True.  That's one
advantage.  I was also
thinking that perhaps latinum is also
more stable when alloyed with gold
in gold-pressed
latinum.  It still requies some
thought to fully explain what it
is, but then
again, it has not played much of a role
in Steve-Trek so
far.
 
>I would think transporting anti-matter would be
dangerous mainl;y
becauseyou'd have anti-matter in two places and half a
containment unit in twoplaces.  This could be
bad.>However, In Jay Trek small amount of
Anti-Matter are transported.  Thetransporter can contain
the anti-matter safely while it rebuilds thecontainment vessel
and then places the anti-matter inside.
That's true, but I'm not sure if
"Next Generation"
established whether or not you could
not beam antimatter by definition,
or because of
the problems with containment.
Containment is not a problem,
since the annular
confinement beam and the stasis
process involved basically
"freezes" everything in
an inert state for the duration of the
transport process. 
Naturally, it would not
be
a good thing if half your heart is beating
half your blood through half your
blood vessels
during a transport.  Everything freezes
for the duration. 
Nevertheless, when
transporting antimatter in quantity, standard
practice is to use two
containers.  The empty
container is beamed over first and activated,
and then the antimatter is beamed out of the
container that is still on board the ship and
into the second container at the other
location.  I don't accept that antimatter cannot
be transported by
definition.
 
Steve
The Universe
Unbounded.
 
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