"Bernd Jendrissek" (berndj{at}prism.co.za) writes:
>
> In article  Anonymous Poster #425
>  wrote:
>>Well, they are lucky in some sense: after all, if they were raped by
>>men, it could have been much worse. It'll be interesting to compare
>>male and female rapists distribution in male rape cases (outside of the
>>penitentiary system).
>
> Sure you'll find more male perpetrators.  I don't mind keeping the
> prison "system" under scrutiny.  Like I said the *societal*
reaction to
> male rape victims is probably very traumatic itself.
>
> Women get support from mainstream society; there are all kinds of rape
> crisis centers in almost every city; there are protest marches against
> violence against women; people react with shock and horror when reading
> news coverage of rapes (those reported are almost all against women).
>
> Male rape victims only seldom get any coverage.  It's as if prison rapes
> never occur.  As if sub-alpha men in prisons don't have their anus
> ripped open every single day of their lives, given that wonderful gift
> of HIV and others.
>
> Then if anyone wants to talk about the rape of males, women seem
> compelled to relativise it as somehow "not as bad" as having an
> unwelcome penis in her vagina.  Because We All Know: vaginas are worth
> one hundred times as much as a man's bodily integrity.
>
>>> I don't know; I'd rather not play this who's-the-greater-victim game.
>>> Identity politics ultimately *weakens* individuals as groups play
>>> themselves off against each other, forever splitting themselves into
>>> ever smaller niche victim groups.
>>>
>>> Rape victims and male victims of misandry might get a lot more done if
>>> they banded together and welcomed each other to victim status.
>>
>>Victims of misandry? You mean like soc.men?
>
> Maybe they don't show it much in soc.men (they're lashing out if
> anything, like an abused dog at the animal shelter, or some are just
> plain nuts) but sure, ISTR that victims of misandry might band together
> where they can relate to each other.
>
> DFoid may be nasty; they can still perfectly well be victims.
>
> What are the women in soc.women or alt.feminism?
>
> Oh, for the record, no, I don't think many of the soc.men are doing a
> very good job of corraling (sp?) sympathy for their cause.  They're
> doing a very poor job of it, IMHO, by allowing their more misogynistic
> brethren to spill bile unchallenged.

Well, if you are concerned with letting something go by " unchallenged ",
why don't *you* " challenge " it ?

You are aware that soc.men is an UN moderated newsgroup, and thats
one reason why we get the range of debate that we do, along with
the detrius that comes with any exercise in Free Speech, where
some folks ( Usually cross-posting from *elsewhere*: Why don't
regulars *there* " challenge " those posts, eh ? ) get to say thngs
that are not in the range of the norm for most of the regulars
here.

 Freedom is... messy. If people want tidy, tyranny is good
for that.

Now, are you willing to *specify* what precisely you were referring
to, in your statement about " bile " ?

Consider that... a challenge. 

Andre

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
                                    The Man Prayer, Red Green.


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