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from: Grizzlie Antagonist griz
date: 2005-03-05 17:01:00
subject: Re: Denise Noe on a dominant woman and submissive man

On 5 Mar 2005 06:57:49 -0800, "ddnoe{at}bellsouth.net"
 wrote:

>Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> On 4 Mar 2005 03:34:38 -0800, "ddnoe{at}bellsouth.net"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> On 3 Mar 2005 04:50:56 -0800, "ddnoe{at}bellsouth.net"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I've got a review up at
>http://www.domsview.com/Vol6/I2/review2.htm
>> >> >about the made-for-TV movie, "The Man in the
Attic," starring
>Neil
>> >> >Patrick Harris, Anne Archer, and Len Cariou.  The
film tells the
>> >story
>> >> >of a dominant woman and a submissive man as does my
Crime Library
>> >> >article on the case that inspired it.
>> >> >    Note to Grizzlie and Society: as you know, I have written
>about
>> >the
>> >> >opposite sort of relationship in the past as in my essay on
>"Women
>> >> >Filmmakers for Women's Submission."  I intend to
write about male
>> >> >dominant-female submissive relationships in the future,
>especially
>> >as
>> >> >depicted in the popular media.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I appreciate the update, Denise, as I am always attempting to keep
>> >> track of your every move - to the exclusion of everything else.
>> >
>> >(Denise) I'm sorry, Grizzlie, if it sounded like that. : /
>>
>>
>> It's all right, Denise.  I was just pulling your leg.
>>
>>
>>
>> >I just
>> >didn't want you to be mad at me for writing about the reverse of the
>> >sort of relationship you like.
>>
>>
>> I understand.
>>
>> But now it's time for ME to ask a question.
>>
>> Since you are also a true crime buff, what is your opinion on the
>> identity of Jack the Ripper?
>>
>> Specifically, what is your view as to the Maybrick Diary?  Is it a
>> fraud?  Or is it a remarkable historical work that solves the most
>> famous unsolved serial killings of all time by identifying
"Jack" as
>> Liverpool cotton broker, James Maybrick?
>>
>> Or does the truth lie in between?  Or are you not sure?
>>
>> I'd be interested to know.
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>(Denise) I'm glad you're interested in my opinion on this, Grizzlie.
>Unfortunately, the Jack the Ripper case isn't one I've studied at
>length.  I've been far more interested in its American counterpart, the
>Lizzie Borden case and have written extensively on that one.



I'd hardly call the Lizzie Borden case the counterpart of Jack the
Ripper.

The Ripper killings took place in the mean streets of Whitechapel and
no one was ever brought to trial for them.

The murder of Lizzie Borden's parents took place in a respectable
household and there was an arrest and trial.


>    However, I did write a review of "From Hell" that was published in
>"The Hatchet: The Journal of Lizzie Borden Studies" because the
>magazine publishes items that are about the Victorian era.
>    I personally have no specific candidate for Jack the Ripper
>although I do have a strong belief as to his motive.  None of the five
>victims was raped.  Does that mean Jack was actually a Jill?  I don't
>think so because these streetwise, tough hookers would probably have
>been able to fight off (or at least one would) an attacker of their own
>gender.  So if Jack was a "Jack," why did he never commit rape?
>Because he was afraid of catching a sexually transmitted disease -- and
>revenge for someone dear to him getting such a disease from a hooker
>was his motive.  Of course, this motive has been developed with a
>variety of candidates.


You may want to read the Maybrick Diary.  I strongly believe in its
veracity and that it solves the JTR mystery.  I strongly believe that
James Maybrick was Jack the Ripper.

His motive stemmed from his agony over his wife's indiscretions, and
he transferred his hatred onto his prostitute victims.  Mary Kelley
was the youngest and prettiest of the victims and the one who most
greatly resembled his wife, and this is why her murder was the most
brutal.

There's a photograph of the carnage, in which you can see the initials
"FM" (Florence Maybrick) scrawled in blood on the wall next to the
corpse.  Some people claim not to be able to see those initials, and
I'm willing to grant that the "F" might be questionable but there can
be no dispute about the "M".

Male serial killers don't necessarily have to rape female victims.  I
think that it's been shown that rape is more likely to occur with
younger perpetrators and less likely to occur with older ones.

Maybrick turned 50 in October 1888.

Anyway, the Ripper murders were often committed at a time and place
when the perpetrator was risking detection.  If the Ripper had
remained at the scene long enough to commit serial murder AND rape, he
would have been pressing his luck.

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