"Meldon" (meldon_fens{at}meldon.com) writes:
> "Andre Lieven"  wrote in message
> news:d0b80q$s3m$1{at}theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>> "Meldon" (meldon_fens{at}meldon.com) writes:
>> > "Ralph"  wrote in message
>> > news:5o3f21pt7c2s4rcj79cp1oep1klo9kmurq{at}4ax.com...
>> >>>...
>> >> Feminisim (or sects of)  is hate, it meets every criteria of hate
>> >> except recognition.
>> >
>> > Agreed but I believe there is a greater, more sinister plan afoot. The
>> > feminists may be tools of a greater evil.
>> >
>> > So far, I can't figure out why this "evil entity"
would wish to destroy
>> > the very fabric of society
>>
>> The usual reasons: Money and power/control.
>
> Money without anywhere to spend it or people to impress with it does not
> appear to be satisfactory reasoning.

To *you*. Tell me, have you heard scores of rich people all declaring
" No, I don't want to grow my business, I have *enough* " ?

Besides, you just created a straw woman: That of having " (no)where
to spend it on. "

Read " OPrah " and " " Vogue " and " Cosmo
" lately ? Their advertisers
do appear to believe that they provide a lot of " somewhere " to spend
women's cash...

> Perhaps if the elite are completely
> stupid (which I don't believe), your suggestion would be suitable.

Ibid.

> I would suggest
> that the motivation behind such insatiable greed is the belief that
> whites are going to be wiped out (race wars for example).

Then, I'd have to say, stop watching bad tv and start dealing with the
real world. Theres no " race war " acomin'...

> If a pending disaster
> is known (or perceived), then it would serve to motivate those who
> know, to seek ever increasing wealth.

Exactly and totally wrong. Heres why: In times of disaster, people
who wish to hoard wealth, do NOT hoard paper: securities, stocks,
and cash. Because, when the *economy that underpins that paper
goes to shit, so does the paper*.

>> If a Feminist woman can have all the " advantages " of
marriage that
>> she values, such as unilateral control, and some one else's resources
>> with which to exercise that control, then thats the reason right there.
>
> I would point out that corruption and misleading the public did not begin
> with feminism therefore it can not be the root cause although it certainly
> does serve as an example of the corruption model.

Absurd. No one claimed that any one specific cause had to *invent*
the concept: That too, is a straw woman of your own illicit birth.
Play with her, on your own time.

Rather, common human traits can be used for a myriad of purposes and
by a myriad of ideologies. As Feminism contains nothing but hate of
men and masculinity, with a dollop of " give me more, I don't have
to earn any of it ", it logically follows that Feminism will use
existing human tropes, in support of it's bigotry. Just as any
ideologhy of hate and bigotry does the same. Its just that there is
a difference between how Feminism does it, and, say, the KKK.

>> The rest of the Divorce Industry is there to also get money from
>> being a part of that shakedown. Likewise, the single mommy industry.
>> Lawyers. Social service workers and agencies. Etc.
>
> Agreed, but the feminist phenomenon is not the only destructive force
> society has faced.

OK: Again, since no one claimed otherwise, your statement is a
tautology.

> This is why I propose a greater evil is responsible and it has
> been around for a long time - not 30 years, but on the order of 3000
> years.

No proof offered ? Claim fails.

>> > which so far is marginalizing a group within society based on gender.
>>
>> Its not their gender...
>
> I think many divorced fathers would diagree.

Read " The Divorce From Hell ", by Wendy Dennis, " Divorced Dads;
Shattering The Myths ", by Sanford Braver, " The Unexpected Legacy
Of Divorce; A 25 Year Landmark Study ", Judith Wallerstein, and
" The Myth Of Male Power ", by Warren Farrell, and then, once you've
mastered the topic, get back to me...

>> > I have to admit, after enduring some particularly adverse times and
>> > seeking insight to the perceived injustice (among other things), I
>> > am now giving more credence to conspiracy theories;
>>
>> Thats the easy/incomplete way to do it.
>
> The easy way is to accept everything we are fed as true.

" A difference which makes no difference is no difference. " James
Blish.

> To make sense in
> the dis-information society one has to be capable of independant thought.

OK: Prove your claim of " disinformation " is correct...

> These are the most dangerous people in the state's eyes because these
> are the ones who stand a better chance at uncovering the truth.

There are facts. There is no " one truth ".

>> Its easy, but it gives wrong answers. As Fred Pohl says:
>> " Ask the *next question. "
>
> Have faith brother. Independance of mind, a sense of logic and access to
> information will rule out the falsities. I'm simply indicating that I
> lend greater credibility to such fringe thinking than I did previously.

However, your claim wrt conspiracy " theories " belies that suggestion.

Most such " conspiracies " are no more than occasional confluences
of interests. As the saying goes " nations don't have friends, they
have interests. "

>> > even so far as to
>> > consider "The Protocols of the Elders..", as a possibility.
>>
>> Then, you're a loon: That piece of tripe has been so often debunked,
>> that it would take major *bias* to even consider it. Just as with
>> flat Earth...
>
> Then so was Henry Ford.

Relevence ? Many people, skilled in an area NOT that of the topic of
the " conspiracy " are as foolish as a baby, in such things.

BTW, you just committed the fallicy of " Appeal to ( Irrelevent )
Authority. ". Fifteen yard penalty.

> I am fully aware of the document's detractions and I'm not saying it is
> true just that it I can give it greater credibility than I would have
> previously.



> I will point out that you imply the document can be nothing but false.
> I can not make that claim.

Then, do your own homework, and fix your inability.

>> > Sorry. I have friends
>> > who are Jewish and I apologize to them and others for what I don't
>> > intended to be the propagation of hate. I'm just calling it
as I see it.
>>
>> Then, look farther and better. " The plural of 'anecdote' is NOT
>> 'citation'. "
>
> I think I understand though I would appreciate an example of the statement
> applied.

" Women cannot have affairs. I know 30 women, and none of the had
any. ". Note: Female population of North America is around 165,000,000.

>> > I reserve the right to revise my theory. :)
>>
>> You don't have a theory. You have, at absolute best, a hypothesis.
>
> I can accept the correction.

Good.

>> And, as other actual theories have already shredded this hypothesis,
>> it cannot stand.
>
> The hypothesis is, a greater evil than feminism alone is at work. Not
> necessarily that it is a jewish conspiracy just that it is possible.

No proof offered ? Claim fails.

If you have a belief that you are searching for facts in support of,
then you have stood science on it's head, and you will get the following:

" Garbage in, garbage out. "

The facts are what are supposed to drive the search for more facts, and
then a hypothesis that can account for *all* of the facts, even and
*especially* the " inconvenient " facts.

>> The existance of Feminism, a force of sexist hate, also in no way is
>> proof of, say, whether humans landed on the Moon. They did, 12 of them.
>
> I understand the principle you describe and I haven't suggested a proof.

Then, you don't even have a hypothesis: as a hypothesis *must* come
with a means to test it.

At best, you have... a fantasy.

> If any proof exists, it is that feminism is not alone and is not the only
> example of a destructive societal force. If it is not alone, then there
> is a greater force at work since the destructive force has existed for
> centuries.

Utter crap. Until and unless you can offer PROOF of this " greater
force ", it remains... utter and unsupported fantasy.

I don't deal in fantasy. Let me know if you have *any* facts to
offer.

Andre

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
                                    The Man Prayer, Red Green.


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