On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:21:01 -0800, Mark Borgerson
 wrote:

>In article , 
>grizzlieantagonist{at}earthlink.net says...
>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:54:03 -0500, "Deborah Terreson"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >In article 
, Grizzlie 
>> >Antagonist   wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:26:50 -0500, "Deborah Terreson"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I mentioned that Canseco is going to go testify to a
house committee and Bob
>> >>>just came in and says he has an idea... That every
time Barry Bonds goes up
>> >>>to bat, the pitchers should walk him until he comes clean!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well, tell Bob that Bonds would hardly notice the difference.  And
>> >> then ask him, suppose Bonds "came clean". 
Would the pitchers then
>> >> agree to STOP walking him?
>> >>
>> >> On the other hand, what if Bonds came up in the bottom of the ninth
>> >> inning with the score tied and the bases loaded?
>> >>
>> >> Walking him intentionally under those circumstances would
probably be
>> >> carrying the principle of forcing him to "come
clean" just a little
>> >> too far - wouldn't it?
>> >
>> >*LOL* (your reply actually got him out of bed!! Good one, G.A,
you can get
>> >him to rise, while I cannot.. )
>> 
>> 
>> Ha, ha.  What a choice of word.
>> 
>> I certainly hope that I can't get Bob to rise.  I wouldn't want to be
>> near him under those circumstances.
>> 
>> If you can't get him to rise, maybe the two of you should seek
>> counseling.  I'd certainly never gathered in anything you'd written
>> before this that you had the slightest difficulty in getting Bob to
>> rise - heh heh heh.
>> 
>> I'm just kidding, of course.  But what a choice of word!
>> 
>> 
>> > Bob says well DuH! They'd of course use
>> >common sense in a game!!
>> 
>> 
>> Ah, but he didn't say so.  Or at least, that wasn't what you
>> communicated to me.
>> 
>> The original suggestion was that the pitchers walk Bonds
"every time"
>> until he "comes clean".
>> 
>> Common sense wasn't included in the original suggestion.
>> 
>
>Aha,  So you can apply common sense.  Why, the above sounds just like
>my response to your statements on women's athletics!   ;-)




No, you're confusing common sense with sophistry.


>> >>>I think he's
>> >>>getting disgusted, he just huffed out that he's seen
Brooks Robinson, Pete
>> >>>Rose and Hank Aaron and he doesn't need this shit!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I can't find that story, but he is always getting disgusted.
>> >> Personally, I think that he should give the press his
middle finger.
>> >> He never cared before what they wrote about him.  He never cared
>> >> whether the fans booed or cheered.  Why should he give a shit now?
>> >
>> >Well, he doesn't particularly seem to give a shit about his team either.
>> >(Deb aside: I did not know this - is he really not a team player?)
>> 
>> 
>> I don't think it's true.  It's largely an individual game anyway - a
>> series of individual performances, though obviously there's SOME
>> teamwork involved, as anyone who has watched a perfectly executed
>> double-play knows.  
>> 
>> But the players obviously don't work together in the same way that
>> football and basketball teams work together.
>
>So baseball is more like women's gymnastics than it is like football!
>(Ducking for cover).   



No.  Baseball is a team sport which still requires individual
contribution, and women's gymnastics is entirely individualistic.



>Does that mean that softball is a better
>sport for women than basketball?  ;-)



No, because women's softball like all other women's team sports and
some individual ones are breeding grounds for lesbianism and feminism.



>> At least, his teammates seem to readily come to his defense every time
>> he stirs up controversy.
>> 
>> Some people say that he's not a team player because he doesn't hustle.
>> But he explains that he is conserving his energies; at his age and in
>> his physical condition, he would burn out much more quickly if he
>> played the game like Pete Rose (Charlie Hustle) played it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >> Actually, as long as the investigation of BALCO is still
in the hands
>> >> of a grand jury, his attorney is undoubtedly telling him
not to talk
>> >> publicly about it, and he should probably be following
his attorney's
>> >> advice.
>> >
>> >Okay.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Babe Ruth did it on bourbon and hot dogs.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As did Mickey Mantle.
>> >>
>> >> Paul Waner - "Big Poison" to his peers (his
little brother Lloyd was
>> >> "Little Poison") - was another Hall of Famer
who enjoyed looking at
>> >> the wine when it was red - though he was more of a
singles-and-doubles
>> >> hitter than a home run hitter.
>> >>
>> >> But most of his 3152 hits (3000 is pretty much of an
automatic Hall of
>> >> Fame qualifier) were achieved with a warm happy glow inside of him.
>> >
>> >Along with Doc Ellis throwing a perfect game on acid!! (When did this
>> >happen??)
>> 
>> 
>> In the 1970's, I think.
>> 
>> It wasn't a perfect game either; it was a no-hitter, which means that
>> SOMEONE reached base, just not on a base hit.  A perfect game means
>> that no one reaches base in any manner whatsoever.
>> 
>> It's still a remarkable story.  I think that Ellis has said that he
>> remembers nothing about that game.
>> 
>> 
>> >> The worst season of his big league career was apparently
the one that
>> >> he spent on the wagon.  He explained his success as a
hitter thusly:
>> >> I used to see three baseballs, and I hit the middle one.
>> >
>> >*LOL!* Let's go back to the beer and whiskey league! Get a sip
when you get
>> >to third!!
>> 
>> 
>> Some of us would remain teetotalers then, if that was what was
>> necessary to get a sip :).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >> I recently saw an old movie, "Witness for the
Prosecution", in which
>> >> Charles Laughton played a brilliant English barrister defending a
>> >> client charged with murder.
>> >>
>> >> His character frequently sipped brandy stored in his cane while in
>> >> court, and the more drunk he got, the better his command of the law
>> >> and of the facts of his case and the more brilliant and witty his
>> >> legal arguments became.
>> >>
>> >> I wish that I knew where to find brandy like that.
>> >
>> >I suppose you could read alot of Oscar Wilde and drink?
>> >
>> >Deb.
>> 
>> 
>> Or more likely, recast myself as a fictitious character.
>> 
>> Only on the silver screen does one find witty debonair drunkards.
>> 
>
>I noted that when I spent a bit of time as a part-time bartender.
>When I wasn't working, and could have a few drinks myself, the
>same people seemed much more entertaining.  Alas, that can end
>in a downward spiral,  so I usually ended up  drinking diet
>cola---which my co-workers would provide at no cost.
>
>
>Mark Borgerson


I'm sorry that they didn't coat it with strychnine.

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