In article ,
 GoddessBaybee  wrote:

> In article ,
> mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com says...
> >
> >
> >GoddessBaybee wrote:
> >> In article
,
> >the Danimal
> >> says...
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> >GoddessBaybee wrote:
> >> >> If I was in this situation, I'd seriously consider breaking up
> >> >> with the guy. IMO, if a guy goes to a prostitute
that says there is
> >> >> something fundamentally wrong with his view of sex.
> >> >
> >> >So, GoddessBaybee, why do you think there is something
> >> >"fundamentally wrong" with the john's view of sex?
> >>
> >> I believe this to be fundamentally wrong because it is devoid of
> >> mutual affection, attraction, interaction etc.
> >
> >Not at all.  By definition, if the man is paying for sex with
> >her he certainly is attracted.  
> 
> Reread what I wrote above.  I wrote it was devoid of *mutual* attraction.  
> The man being attracted is not mutual attraction.

Ok.  Your point? :-)

Sure, the woman may not necessarily enjoy the activity as much
as him, but that needn't stop him.  She's still EXPERIENCING it,
yes?  In some ways, having sex with a woman who didn't
find me attractive was more mind blowing.  

I'm reminded of the joke about a prostitute telling a man that
she needed money badly and would do any task, no matter
how horrible, for 100 bucks if he could put it in 5 words
of less.  He said "paint my house." :-)
 
> >On the contrary, prostitutes
> >allow the man to fully express his carnal desires without
> >any concern about whether he's being "unromantic."
> >Maybe your worry is that the man is expressing a side
> >of himself that you are too "chaste" to see and you
> >want to repress it out of jealousy?
> 
> huh?
> I am not jealous of prostitutes or men who go to prostitutes.

Oh really!

If that's the case, why do you feel a need to get so
hot and bothered if a man went to one?  Can't handle
the competition?
 
> >One benefit of the prostitution/john relationship is that
> >it's honest.  Some of the best conversations I've had
> >have been with prostitutes.  It was incredible to talk
> >to someone after having sex with them without EVER
> >having had to feel a need to put on an act.  
> 
> These conversations may be honest on *your* part, but the prostitute is being
> paid to put on an act.

HAHAHAHA!

You seem to be able to figure out how a prostitute might
be motivated to lie but you believe that everything
a man is saying who risks money in the hopes of having
sex with you someday MUST be the absolute God's truth. :-)

Actually, in a decent brothel, the woman needn't put on
an act.  They aren't stepford wives or Hooter's girls.
They're attractive women who are having sex with
a man whose just met them.  For many many many 
men, that's quite enough! :-)
 
> >You will NEVER
> >experience that kind of relationship with a man, EVER,
> >because he must always FIRST consider your reaction
> >lest he tell you something you don't want to hear.
> 
> When I have a conversation with my husband, I consider his reaction, 
> and I certainly don't want to hurt his feelings.

I wasn't just talking about hurt feelings but about
hearing something undesirable.  What if your husband
said he agreed with the KKK?  Your feelings might not
be hurt, but you might hold that admission against him.
On the contrary: His motivation might be to avoid
having _his_ feelings hurt, if you know what I mean,
if you get peeved with him.

>  He gives me the same
> consideration.  I happen to think this is a good thing.  You seem to have a
> different outlook here and view this somehow as a bad thing.

No, I NEVER said it was a bad thing.

I merely said that it was different than what I
had experienced otherwise.  It was a growth experience.

> >> It's basically just masturbation using
> >> a human being as a cum receptacle.
> >
> >Sometimes, it was that way.  But at the same time,
> >it was exciting to know that even if the sex was
> >lousy, it didn't matter.  It wasn't like she was
> >going to reject me as a lousy lover. :-)  In a way,
> >that made it quite enjoyable.  Masterbation has
> >it's positive aspects.
> >
> >> The human being (prostitute) is being paid
> >> to endure being a cum receptacle.  If someone just wants to get off,
> >> they should just masturbate - alone.  I mean seriously, most
people have 
> >> two hands and those who don't, surely could find a way to improvise.
> >> ;-)
> >
> >"endure being a cum receptacle."  Wow!   It sure does sound
> >like you view the sex act in a positive way.
> 
> Nope.....but i don't view having sex with strangers for money in a very 
> positive
> way.  That sounds very unappealing on so many levels.

Once again, it's just sex.  Maybe it can be unappealing, but 
something to be "endured" similar to a root canal?  

If you view sex in such a puritannical fashion, why do you
think it was acceptable to use it to demand men pay
for a chance at it?  Just as you can view sex beggars
as "gentlemen", prostitutes can learn to enjoy and
appreciate men on their own level.  
 
> >So what?  Let's say that Dan was offered money by a woman
> >to do something that pleasured her with no enjoyment
> >on his part.  Say, cooking a dinner for her.
> >
> >What makes this one-sided service all that much more awful
> >than a woman selling sex?  Do you view people who use
> >servants as evil?
> 
> No, but I view sex as a physical and emotional connection between two people. 
>  
> Sex is something special. 

HAHAHAHAHA!

You have men who NEVER were fully honest with you not
to spare YOUR feelings, but theirs.  To avoid rejection.
Then you think that you've got a "physical and emotional connection".

HAHAHAHAHA!

> I don't put it in the same category as cleaning a
> toilet.

What a wonderful close!

You just did that, didn't you?  You chose to put
it into the same category as something you "endure"
or view as a chore unless the man jumps through
certain hoops.  You chose to make it into something
unattractive.  You used it to extort meals from men.

regards,
Mark Sobolewski


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