On 5 Mar 2005 13:20:28 -0800, "remarksman{at}yahoo.com"
 wrote:

>
>Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:21:01 -0800, Mark Borgerson
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >In article ,
>> >grizzlieantagonist{at}earthlink.net says...
>> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:54:03 -0500, "Deborah Terreson"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article  ,
>Grizzlie
>> >> >Antagonist   wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:26:50 -0500,
"Deborah Terreson"
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>I mentioned that Canseco is going to go
testify to a house
>committee and Bob
>> >> >>>just came in and says he has an idea... That
every time Barry
>Bonds goes up
>> >> >>>to bat, the pitchers should walk him until he
comes clean!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, tell Bob that Bonds would hardly notice
the difference.
>And
>> >> >> then ask him, suppose Bonds "came
clean".  Would the pitchers
>then
>> >> >> agree to STOP walking him?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On the other hand, what if Bonds came up in the
bottom of the
>ninth
>> >> >> inning with the score tied and the bases loaded?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Walking him intentionally under those circumstances would
>probably be
>> >> >> carrying the principle of forcing him to
"come clean" just a
>little
>> >> >> too far - wouldn't it?
>> >> >
>> >> >*LOL* (your reply actually got him out of bed!! Good one, G.A,
>you can get
>> >> >him to rise, while I cannot.. )
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ha, ha.  What a choice of word.
>> >>
>> >> I certainly hope that I can't get Bob to rise.  I wouldn't want to
>be
>> >> near him under those circumstances.
>> >>
>> >> If you can't get him to rise, maybe the two of you should seek
>> >> counseling.  I'd certainly never gathered in anything you'd
>written
>> >> before this that you had the slightest difficulty in getting Bob
>to
>> >> rise - heh heh heh.
>> >>
>> >> I'm just kidding, of course.  But what a choice of word!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Bob says well DuH! They'd of course use
>> >> >common sense in a game!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ah, but he didn't say so.  Or at least, that wasn't what you
>> >> communicated to me.
>> >>
>> >> The original suggestion was that the pitchers walk Bonds
"every
>time"
>> >> until he "comes clean".
>> >>
>> >> Common sense wasn't included in the original suggestion.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Aha,  So you can apply common sense.  Why, the above sounds just
>like
>> >my response to your statements on women's athletics!   ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No, you're confusing common sense with sophistry.
>>
>>
>> >> >>>I think he's
>> >> >>>getting disgusted, he just huffed out that
he's seen Brooks
>Robinson, Pete
>> >> >>>Rose and Hank Aaron and he doesn't need this shit!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I can't find that story, but he is always
getting disgusted.
>> >> >> Personally, I think that he should give the
press his middle
>finger.
>> >> >> He never cared before what they wrote about him.  He never
>cared
>> >> >> whether the fans booed or cheered.  Why should
he give a shit
>now?
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, he doesn't particularly seem to give a shit
about his team
>either.
>> >> >(Deb aside: I did not know this - is he really not a team
>player?)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I don't think it's true.  It's largely an individual game anyway -
>a
>> >> series of individual performances, though obviously there's SOME
>> >> teamwork involved, as anyone who has watched a perfectly executed
>> >> double-play knows.
>> >>
>> >> But the players obviously don't work together in the same way that
>> >> football and basketball teams work together.
>> >
>> >So baseball is more like women's gymnastics than it is like
>football!
>> >(Ducking for cover).
>>
>>
>>
>> No.  Baseball is a team sport which still requires individual
>> contribution, and women's gymnastics is entirely individualistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Does that mean that softball is a better
>> >sport for women than basketball?  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> No, because women's softball like all other women's team sports and
>> some individual ones are breeding grounds for lesbianism and
>feminism.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> At least, his teammates seem to readily come to his defense every
>time
>> >> he stirs up controversy.
>> >>
>> >> Some people say that he's not a team player because he doesn't
>hustle.
>> >> But he explains that he is conserving his energies; at his age and
>in
>> >> his physical condition, he would burn out much more quickly if he
>> >> played the game like Pete Rose (Charlie Hustle) played it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> Actually, as long as the investigation of BALCO
is still in the
>hands
>> >> >> of a grand jury, his attorney is undoubtedly
telling him not to
>talk
>> >> >> publicly about it, and he should probably be following his
>attorney's
>> >> >> advice.
>> >> >
>> >> >Okay.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Babe Ruth did it on bourbon and hot dogs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As did Mickey Mantle.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Paul Waner - "Big Poison" to his peers
(his little brother
>Lloyd was
>> >> >> "Little Poison") - was another Hall of
Famer who enjoyed
>looking at
>> >> >> the wine when it was red - though he was more of a
>singles-and-doubles
>> >> >> hitter than a home run hitter.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But most of his 3152 hits (3000 is pretty much
of an automatic
>Hall of
>> >> >> Fame qualifier) were achieved with a warm happy
glow inside of
>him.
>> >> >
>> >> >Along with Doc Ellis throwing a perfect game on
acid!! (When did
>this
>> >> >happen??)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In the 1970's, I think.
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't a perfect game either; it was a no-hitter, which means
>that
>> >> SOMEONE reached base, just not on a base hit.  A perfect game
>means
>> >> that no one reaches base in any manner whatsoever.
>> >>
>> >> It's still a remarkable story.  I think that Ellis has said that
>he
>> >> remembers nothing about that game.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> The worst season of his big league career was
apparently the
>one that
>> >> >> he spent on the wagon.  He explained his success
as a hitter
>thusly:
>> >> >> I used to see three baseballs, and I hit the middle one.
>> >> >
>> >> >*LOL!* Let's go back to the beer and whiskey league! Get a sip
>when you get
>> >> >to third!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Some of us would remain teetotalers then, if that was what was
>> >> necessary to get a sip :).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> I recently saw an old movie, "Witness for
the Prosecution", in
>which
>> >> >> Charles Laughton played a brilliant English
barrister defending
>a
>> >> >> client charged with murder.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> His character frequently sipped brandy stored in
his cane while
>in
>> >> >> court, and the more drunk he got, the better his
command of the
>law
>> >> >> and of the facts of his case and the more
brilliant and witty
>his
>> >> >> legal arguments became.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I wish that I knew where to find brandy like that.
>> >> >
>> >> >I suppose you could read alot of Oscar Wilde and drink?
>> >> >
>> >> >Deb.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Or more likely, recast myself as a fictitious character.
>> >>
>> >> Only on the silver screen does one find witty debonair drunkards.
>> >>
>> >
>> >I noted that when I spent a bit of time as a part-time bartender.
>> >When I wasn't working, and could have a few drinks myself, the
>> >same people seemed much more entertaining.  Alas, that can end
>> >in a downward spiral,  so I usually ended up  drinking diet
>> >cola---which my co-workers would provide at no cost.
>> >
>> >
>> >Mark Borgerson
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry that they didn't coat it with strychnine.
>
>
>Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; 



That's a fairly self-serving statement, considering what's gone into
your mouth.



>but what comes out of the
>mouth, this defiles a man."


I couldn't agree more.  And I do believe that someone's language
skills have mysteriously improved.





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