In article ,
 GoddessBaybee  wrote:

> In article
, Mark
> Sobolewski says...

> >> Actually, Mark, this says a lot more about you than about me.
> >> You seem to think treating a women to dinner demeans you
horribly in some
> >> way.
> >> I don't quite get it.
> >
> >You "don't get it" because you've made a clearly intellectually
> >dishonest argument by including such situations as me
> >taking out my sister for a birthday dinner in this discussion.
>
> huh?
> um...Mark, I think you have me confused with another poster.
> I've never said anything about your sister.

Hello GoddessBaybee,

Can you read?  You had said claimed I felt demeaned
horribly whenever I bought a woman a dinner.  I had
made an example that showed how that definition was
so broad (pardon the pun) that it's meaningless.

What we're talking about here is a first date situation
where people are incredibly emotionally vulnerable.
The man, most often, takes the huge emotional risk
of asking the woman out because you're too cowardly
and selfish to handle it.  Do I have it right, honey?

Then, the moment you're in the driver's seat, you
use that situation to emotionally extort,
what?, fuckin' free meals?  And you have the NERVE
to look down upon prostitutes?

> >As I said, you're putting on a charade.  What makes that
> >really F'd up is that at a certain sub-conscious level,
> >you're fully aware of this and you sell chances at sex
> >to maintain it.
> >
> >If you're going to prostitute your sexuality, shouldn't
> >you do it for something real?  Hmmm?
> >
> >Not only do you sell out your own sexuality, you also
> >undermine the sincerity of the men in this situation.
> >You will always have some kind of nagging, sub-conscious
> >doubt, of his motives.  Or in the very least, you won't
> >want to dig too deep.  "Honey... You aren't anything
> >like those awful soc.meners, are you?"  "No dear!
> >Of course not!  What's their awful opinion again?"
> >
> >You wind up with a wuss.
>
> LOL!
> Sure Mark, if ya define "wuss" as men who treat for dinner
and who don't go
> to
> prostitutes, then yep, guess I've got myself a wuss.

As I said, this isn't just about "treating" people for dinner.
It's about someone being extorted and manipulated into
doing it.

And you know it.  Ok, you don't.  The men can be
manipulated into telling you that's not true.
Kiss kiss. :-)

> pssst:  i'm ok with that.

Are you?

Then why the intellectual dishonesty?  Why the hostility?

I don't feel any shame whatsoever in having been
with prostitutes.  None.  I'm courteous, of course,
and don't bring up the subject at church socials
but I don't feel any moral shame.  I don't feel a need
to try to make it out for something it wasn't.

Dear, you've been so exposed to wusses conditioned to
say what you want to hear in exchange for the hope
of sex treats that you don't know the truth when
you hear it.  You've been used!

> >In a way, your cost for
> >gratification is far higher than the 100 bucks
> >for hookers at L.A. brothels.
> >
> >> I think when you like someone, it is natural to *want* to do
nice things
> >> for
> >> that person which will make them happy.
> >
> >So such women can offer to pay for the WHOLE first date AND tell
> >the men they find them sexually attractive.
> >
> >Their failure to do so suggests they like the men they
> >are dating less than the men like them.
>
> Nope, expecting the guy to pay for the first date is just one of many
> screening
> tools to weed out certain guys...

Yeah, you screen out guys who don't pay for you love them
long time. :-)

> like guys who don't want a dating
> relationship...just a boodie call type thang.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wouldn't their refusal to pay suggest that they
weren't so desperate for "boodie" that they
would throw money at you like a stripper?

Yeah, the men love you for your mind!  Good luck
believing that!

> Also, it weeds out cheep guys.

Not necessarily.

As you noted, I paid several times more to avoid this situation.
It's the guys who are too doggy to get "boodie" without
paying for it or don't have enough money for high
quality hookers who see... you.

You're getting beta males.

> >See what I said about the real cost of prostitution above.
> >Is a free meal worth SETTLING for someone less than
> >ideal in exchange for an emotional edge?  What woman
> >wants such a man anyway?  Isn't being with
> >such a man emotional masterbation?
> >
> >What if I told you that all the prostitutes I had seen
> >told me I was the best lay they had.  You wouldn't take
> >that opinion very seriously because their motives
> >are questionable.
> >
> >However, not all prostitutes gave me a gold star.  Most
> >treated it as a job and said so and I was ok with that.
> >Some prostitutes had extensive, fun conversations afterward
> >and some didn't.
> >
> >What was exciting, far moreso than a normal dinner date,
> >was that we were truly ourselves.
>
> um.... what's with the "we" in the sentence above?

You heard me. :-)

> i'm guessing that a brutally honest prostitute wouldn't get much return
> business,

HAHAHAHAHA!

If she's hot looking, she's not going to suffer for lack
of business.  Get it?  Also, note that she didn't have
to be "brutal", just honest.  If she didn't like me,
she didn't have to make any pretenses.  That didn't
stop them from doing their job though.  As I said,
a very liberating experience!

> and worse yet she'd risk getting the crap beat out of her by a
> disgruntled John.

Naw, the security at those places are pretty tough. :-)

Speaking of security risks: Did you ever wonder what
keeps those wuss men in check who throw money at you
in the hopes of landing you in the sack (oh, wait,
they love you for your mind, right) but at the same
time don't mind it if you dump them at a moments
notice when it suits you?

regards,
Mark Sobolewski


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