In article , 
grizzlieantagonist{at}earthlink.net says...
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:01:57 -0800, Mark Borgerson
>  wrote:
> 
> >In article , 
> >grizzlieantagonist{at}earthlink.net says...
> >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:21:01 -0800, Mark Borgerson
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> >In article , 
> >> >grizzlieantagonist{at}earthlink.net says...
> >> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:54:03 -0500, "Deborah
Terreson"
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >In article
 , Grizzlie 
> >> >> >Antagonist
  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:26:50 -0500,
"Deborah Terreson"
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>I mentioned that Canseco is going to go
testify to a house committee and Bob
> >> >> >>>just came in and says he has an idea...
That every time Barry Bonds goes up
> >> >> >>>to bat, the pitchers should walk him
until he comes clean!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well, tell Bob that Bonds would hardly
notice the difference.  And
> >> >> >> then ask him, suppose Bonds "came
clean".  Would the pitchers then
> >> >> >> agree to STOP walking him?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On the other hand, what if Bonds came up in
the bottom of the ninth
> >> >> >> inning with the score tied and the bases loaded?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Walking him intentionally under those
circumstances would probably be
> >> >> >> carrying the principle of forcing him to
"come clean" just a little
> >> >> >> too far - wouldn't it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >*LOL* (your reply actually got him out of bed!!
Good one, G.A, you can get
> >> >> >him to rise, while I cannot.. )
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Ha, ha.  What a choice of word.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I certainly hope that I can't get Bob to rise.  I
wouldn't want to be
> >> >> near him under those circumstances.
> >> >> 
> >> >> If you can't get him to rise, maybe the two of you should seek
> >> >> counseling.  I'd certainly never gathered in
anything you'd written
> >> >> before this that you had the slightest difficulty in
getting Bob to
> >> >> rise - heh heh heh.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I'm just kidding, of course.  But what a choice of word!
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> > Bob says well DuH! They'd of course use
> >> >> >common sense in a game!!
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Ah, but he didn't say so.  Or at least, that wasn't what you
> >> >> communicated to me.
> >> >> 
> >> >> The original suggestion was that the pitchers walk
Bonds "every time"
> >> >> until he "comes clean".
> >> >> 
> >> >> Common sense wasn't included in the original suggestion.
> >> >> 
> >> >
> >> >Aha,  So you can apply common sense.  Why, the above
sounds just like
> >> >my response to your statements on women's athletics!   ;-)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> No, you're confusing common sense with sophistry.
> >
> >So, which were you employing when you said women's sports
> >are a breeding ground for lesbians?
> >
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >> >>>I think he's
> >> >> >>>getting disgusted, he just huffed out
that he's seen Brooks Robinson, Pete
> >> >> >>>Rose and Hank Aaron and he doesn't need
this shit!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I can't find that story, but he is always
getting disgusted.
> >> >> >> Personally, I think that he should give the
press his middle finger.
> >> >> >> He never cared before what they wrote about
him.  He never cared
> >> >> >> whether the fans booed or cheered.  Why
should he give a shit now?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Well, he doesn't particularly seem to give a
shit about his team either.
> >> >> >(Deb aside: I did not know this - is he really
not a team player?)
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> I don't think it's true.  It's largely an individual
game anyway - a
> >> >> series of individual performances, though obviously
there's SOME
> >> >> teamwork involved, as anyone who has watched a
perfectly executed
> >> >> double-play knows.  
> >> >> 
> >> >> But the players obviously don't work together in the
same way that
> >> >> football and basketball teams work together.
> >> >
> >> >So baseball is more like women's gymnastics than it is
like football!
> >> >(Ducking for cover).   
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> No.  Baseball is a team sport which still requires individual
> >> contribution, and women's gymnastics is entirely individualistic.
> >> 
> >
> >Here we have "Baseball is a team sport which still requires individual
> > contribution"
> >
> >Two paragraphs away from "It's largely an individual game anyway"
> 
> 
> Because it requires a lot of individual contribution.
> 
> 
> >Can you blame me for being a bit confused?   
> 
> 
> Yes.  You're not confused anyway.  You're parsing.

So you,  a lawyer, are stating that I'm analyzing your statements?  
I can only take that as a compliment.
> 
> 
> > (OK,  fire away--
> >the target is in sight!  ;-)  _
> 
> 
> 
> You're always making yourself a target, and it's boring.  You're like
> a starving man gobbling up laxatives.

LOL.   At least you can't accuse me of being full of shit, then!
> 
> 
> 
>  
> >> >Does that mean that softball is a better
> >> >sport for women than basketball?  ;-)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> No, because women's softball like all other women's team sports and
> >> some individual ones are breeding grounds for lesbianism and feminism.
> >> 
> >
> >I guess you just know more about lesbianism and feminism that me.  
> 
> 
> Why?  You're a male lesbian and a feminist yourself.

No Proof Offered. Claim fails.  (Thanks, Andre.)
> 
> 
> >I'd
> >be interested in how you acquired all that expertise.  Was it acquired
> >in the course of your professional, or your personal life?
> 
> 
> For starters...
> 
> http://www.isteve.com/lesvsgay.htm
Perhaps you can explain the pertinence of examination of the leisure
habits of gay men and lesbian women to this discussion.


> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23160

Pending a valid statistical analysis,  I will agree that the author
may know more about the sexual preferences of the WNBA player and
audience than me.   Do you have any evidence for other sports at 
the college and professional level?
> 
>  
>  
> >> >> At least, his teammates seem to readily come to his
defense every time
> >> >> he stirs up controversy.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Some people say that he's not a team player because
he doesn't hustle.
> >> >> But he explains that he is conserving his energies;
at his age and in
> >> >> his physical condition, he would burn out much more
quickly if he
> >> >> played the game like Pete Rose (Charlie Hustle) played it.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Actually, as long as the investigation of
BALCO is still in the hands
> >> >> >> of a grand jury, his attorney is
undoubtedly telling him not to talk
> >> >> >> publicly about it, and he should probably
be following his attorney's
> >> >> >> advice.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Okay.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>Babe Ruth did it on bourbon and hot dogs.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As did Mickey Mantle.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Paul Waner - "Big Poison" to his
peers (his little brother Lloyd was
> >> >> >> "Little Poison") - was another
Hall of Famer who enjoyed looking at
> >> >> >> the wine when it was red - though he was
more of a singles-and-doubles
> >> >> >> hitter than a home run hitter.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But most of his 3152 hits (3000 is pretty
much of an automatic Hall of
> >> >> >> Fame qualifier) were achieved with a warm
happy glow inside of him.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Along with Doc Ellis throwing a perfect game on
acid!! (When did this
> >> >> >happen??)
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> In the 1970's, I think.
> >> >> 
> >> >> It wasn't a perfect game either; it was a no-hitter,
which means that
> >> >> SOMEONE reached base, just not on a base hit.  A
perfect game means
> >> >> that no one reaches base in any manner whatsoever.
> >> >> 
> >> >> It's still a remarkable story.  I think that Ellis
has said that he
> >> >> remembers nothing about that game.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> >> The worst season of his big league career
was apparently the one that
> >> >> >> he spent on the wagon.  He explained his
success as a hitter thusly:
> >> >> >> I used to see three baseballs, and I hit
the middle one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >*LOL!* Let's go back to the beer and whiskey
league! Get a sip when you get
> >> >> >to third!!
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Some of us would remain teetotalers then, if that was what was
> >> >> necessary to get a sip :).
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> >> I recently saw an old movie, "Witness
for the Prosecution", in which
> >> >> >> Charles Laughton played a brilliant English
barrister defending a
> >> >> >> client charged with murder.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> His character frequently sipped brandy
stored in his cane while in
> >> >> >> court, and the more drunk he got, the
better his command of the law
> >> >> >> and of the facts of his case and the more
brilliant and witty his
> >> >> >> legal arguments became.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I wish that I knew where to find brandy like that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I suppose you could read alot of Oscar Wilde and drink?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Deb.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Or more likely, recast myself as a fictitious character.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Only on the silver screen does one find witty
debonair drunkards.
> >> >> 
> >> >
> >> >I noted that when I spent a bit of time as a part-time bartender.
> >> >When I wasn't working, and could have a few drinks myself, the
> >> >same people seemed much more entertaining.  Alas, that can end
> >> >in a downward spiral,  so I usually ended up  drinking diet
> >> >cola---which my co-workers would provide at no cost.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Mark Borgerson
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I'm sorry that they didn't coat it with strychnine.
> >> 
> >Perhaps they were less inventive than you and couldn't figure
> >out how to coat a diet pepsi with a toxic substance.  Say, 
> >how DO you  coat a liquid?    ;-)
> 
> 
> If I'm in the wrong company, I am strongly tempted to coat it with
> strychnine.

So,  how do you coat the wrong company with strychnine?  Sounds even
more difficult than coating Diet Pepsi.   ;-)
(Ooops, that would be parsing again, right?)



Mark Borgerson






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