On 6 Mar 2005 21:35:13 -0800, "remarksman{at}yahoo.com"
 wrote:

>Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> On 5 Mar 2005 13:20:28 -0800, "remarksman{at}yahoo.com"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:21:01 -0800, Mark Borgerson
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article ,
>> >> >grizzlieantagonist{at}earthlink.net says...
>> >> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:54:03 -0500,
"Deborah Terreson"
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >In article
 ,
>> >Grizzlie
>> >> >> >Antagonist
  wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:26:50 -0500,
"Deborah Terreson"
>> >> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>I mentioned that Canseco is going to
go testify to a house
>> >committee and Bob
>> >> >> >>>just came in and says he has an
idea... That every time
>Barry
>> >Bonds goes up
>> >> >> >>>to bat, the pitchers should walk him
until he comes clean!!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Well, tell Bob that Bonds would hardly notice the
>difference.
>> >And
>> >> >> >> then ask him, suppose Bonds "came
clean".  Would the
>pitchers
>> >then
>> >> >> >> agree to STOP walking him?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On the other hand, what if Bonds came
up in the bottom of
>the
>> >ninth
>> >> >> >> inning with the score tied and the bases loaded?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Walking him intentionally under those
circumstances would
>> >probably be
>> >> >> >> carrying the principle of forcing him
to "come clean" just a
>> >little
>> >> >> >> too far - wouldn't it?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >*LOL* (your reply actually got him out of
bed!! Good one, G.A,
>> >you can get
>> >> >> >him to rise, while I cannot.. )
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ha, ha.  What a choice of word.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I certainly hope that I can't get Bob to rise. 
I wouldn't want
>to
>> >be
>> >> >> near him under those circumstances.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you can't get him to rise, maybe the two of
you should seek
>> >> >> counseling.  I'd certainly never gathered in
anything you'd
>> >written
>> >> >> before this that you had the slightest
difficulty in getting
>Bob
>> >to
>> >> >> rise - heh heh heh.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm just kidding, of course.  But what a choice of word!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Bob says well DuH! They'd of course use
>> >> >> >common sense in a game!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ah, but he didn't say so.  Or at least, that
wasn't what you
>> >> >> communicated to me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The original suggestion was that the pitchers
walk Bonds "every
>> >time"
>> >> >> until he "comes clean".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Common sense wasn't included in the original suggestion.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Aha,  So you can apply common sense.  Why, the above
sounds just
>> >like
>> >> >my response to your statements on women's athletics!   ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No, you're confusing common sense with sophistry.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> >>>I think he's
>> >> >> >>>getting disgusted, he just huffed
out that he's seen Brooks
>> >Robinson, Pete
>> >> >> >>>Rose and Hank Aaron and he doesn't
need this shit!!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I can't find that story, but he is
always getting disgusted.
>> >> >> >> Personally, I think that he should give
the press his middle
>> >finger.
>> >> >> >> He never cared before what they wrote
about him.  He never
>> >cared
>> >> >> >> whether the fans booed or cheered.  Why
should he give a
>shit
>> >now?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Well, he doesn't particularly seem to give a
shit about his
>team
>> >either.
>> >> >> >(Deb aside: I did not know this - is he
really not a team
>> >player?)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't think it's true.  It's largely an individual game
>anyway -
>> >a
>> >> >> series of individual performances, though
obviously there's
>SOME
>> >> >> teamwork involved, as anyone who has watched a perfectly
>executed
>> >> >> double-play knows.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But the players obviously don't work together in
the same way
>that
>> >> >> football and basketball teams work together.
>> >> >
>> >> >So baseball is more like women's gymnastics than it is like
>> >football!
>> >> >(Ducking for cover).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No.  Baseball is a team sport which still requires individual
>> >> contribution, and women's gymnastics is entirely individualistic.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Does that mean that softball is a better
>> >> >sport for women than basketball?  ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No, because women's softball like all other women's team sports
>and
>> >> some individual ones are breeding grounds for lesbianism and
>> >feminism.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> At least, his teammates seem to readily come to
his defense
>every
>> >time
>> >> >> he stirs up controversy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Some people say that he's not a team player
because he doesn't
>> >hustle.
>> >> >> But he explains that he is conserving his
energies; at his age
>and
>> >in
>> >> >> his physical condition, he would burn out much
more quickly if
>he
>> >> >> played the game like Pete Rose (Charlie Hustle) played it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Actually, as long as the investigation
of BALCO is still in
>the
>> >hands
>> >> >> >> of a grand jury, his attorney is
undoubtedly telling him not
>to
>> >talk
>> >> >> >> publicly about it, and he should
probably be following his
>> >attorney's
>> >> >> >> advice.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Okay.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Babe Ruth did it on bourbon and hot dogs.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As did Mickey Mantle.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Paul Waner - "Big Poison" to
his peers (his little brother
>> >Lloyd was
>> >> >> >> "Little Poison") - was
another Hall of Famer who enjoyed
>> >looking at
>> >> >> >> the wine when it was red - though he
was more of a
>> >singles-and-doubles
>> >> >> >> hitter than a home run hitter.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> But most of his 3152 hits (3000 is
pretty much of an
>automatic
>> >Hall of
>> >> >> >> Fame qualifier) were achieved with a
warm happy glow inside
>of
>> >him.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Along with Doc Ellis throwing a perfect game
on acid!! (When
>did
>> >this
>> >> >> >happen??)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In the 1970's, I think.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It wasn't a perfect game either; it was a no-hitter, which
>means
>> >that
>> >> >> SOMEONE reached base, just not on a base hit.  A
perfect game
>> >means
>> >> >> that no one reaches base in any manner whatsoever.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's still a remarkable story.  I think that
Ellis has said
>that
>> >he
>> >> >> remembers nothing about that game.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The worst season of his big league
career was apparently the
>> >one that
>> >> >> >> he spent on the wagon.  He explained
his success as a hitter
>> >thusly:
>> >> >> >> I used to see three baseballs, and I
hit the middle one.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >*LOL!* Let's go back to the beer and whiskey
league! Get a sip
>> >when you get
>> >> >> >to third!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Some of us would remain teetotalers then, if
that was what was
>> >> >> necessary to get a sip :).
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I recently saw an old movie,
"Witness for the Prosecution",
>in
>> >which
>> >> >> >> Charles Laughton played a brilliant
English barrister
>defending
>> >a
>> >> >> >> client charged with murder.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> His character frequently sipped brandy
stored in his cane
>while
>> >in
>> >> >> >> court, and the more drunk he got, the
better his command of
>the
>> >law
>> >> >> >> and of the facts of his case and the
more brilliant and
>witty
>> >his
>> >> >> >> legal arguments became.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I wish that I knew where to find brandy
like that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I suppose you could read alot of Oscar Wilde
and drink?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Deb.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Or more likely, recast myself as a fictitious character.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Only on the silver screen does one find witty debonair
>drunkards.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I noted that when I spent a bit of time as a
part-time bartender.
>> >> >When I wasn't working, and could have a few drinks myself, the
>> >> >same people seemed much more entertaining.  Alas, that can end
>> >> >in a downward spiral,  so I usually ended up  drinking diet
>> >> >cola---which my co-workers would provide at no cost.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Mark Borgerson
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm sorry that they didn't coat it with strychnine.
>> >
>> >
>> >Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man;
>>
>>
>>
>> That's a fairly self-serving statement, considering what's gone into
>> your mouth.
>>
>>
>>
>> >but what comes out of the
>> >mouth, this defiles a man."
>>
>>
>> I couldn't agree more.  And I do believe that someone's language
>> skills have mysteriously improved.
>>
>>
>
>thank you
>
>my apologies -- i'm always living in some mountain backwoods, and
>sometimes revert to form
>
>esp when folks start talking about poisoning folks
>
>its a horrible way to die
>
>arsenic poisoning eg was all-the-rage, for the longest time, tho the
>Marst test has hindered the predators tally purty severely
>
>places i live, theyre always chokful o' predators
>
>predators-r-US!!
>
>predators here, there, everwhere
>
>some extremely intelligent, but most just stoopid n clever, in a grisly
>kinda way...
>
>:O)
>
>ennihoo, after the locals predators Anywhere have had a few drinks --
>beer, usually, its cheepest -- sometimes the blab will go to huntin',
>and theyll just out "I'm a killer"
>
>not prideful, not loud, just plain from the heart
>
>ya look into the bleary vacuum of their mugs, into the ripe festering
>evil and yup -- cant be denied -- hell hunt anything, but given
>druthers, prefers humans, the cleverest game
>
>around here, them boys like to trap their mt lions using livebait --
>set up yr stand, break a rabbit's legs, hang it from a tree
>
>its screems lure in the cat
>
>now, that cat is sure hes the top predator on scene
>
>but bam! he learns otherwise
>
>next day, half the boys in town are wearing his teeth around their
>necks
>
>and mr killer -- way way up in his stand, spyin it all out -- hes just
>as sure HES top predator
>
>and for a brief spell, mebbe he is
>
>turns out, tho, that Something has been watching him, too, all down the
>hunt
>
>like the bigcat, whats been watching mr keeler is attracted by that
>screaming rabbit
>
>but he aint a predator, and he shore aint a gubbermint agent!
>
>;O)
>
>so whats his job?
>
>well, he looks after the rabbits
>
>now, you might say he failed in his job, because the rabbit ends up
>dead
>
>but the rabbit that lured the bigcat that lured mr killer will get
>another chance, and will live another sweet sweet life, and another --
>and each time, die a clean death, until death removes
>
>but mr killer -- the old boy who came up with the legbreakin scheme?
>
>for him, there is no escape



I'm not sure because I had a hard time following this, but I think
that I've been insulted.


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