Sean_MacCloud wrote:

>
> Lee wrote:
>
>
>>>>Nature has also given females the physiological capacity to
>>
>>reproduce
>>
>>>>by 10-13 years.  Yet we enact and uphold laws because our US society
>>
>>>>has decided that adults over the age of 18 who have sex with people
>>>>ages 10-13-17 are committing a crime and often, but not always,
>>
>>cause
>>
>>>>significant, life long psychological harm to the minor child
>>
>>involved.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>True, but the psychology between males and females is different at
>>
>>least in
>>
>>>our society.
>>
>>Our laws treat both sexes equally, in principle, therefore it is
>>illegal for an adult female to have sex with a minor male.
>>As it is currently impractical to perform a psych evaluation upon every
>>minor who has sex with an adult to determine if damage was incurred,
>>we, as a society, have agreed to equally punish and prosecute all
>>adults who have sex with minors.
>>
>>Thus the difference in psychologies between male and female minors is
>>irrelevant to this discussion.
>>
>>
>>>>This is a common reaction to minor children having sex with adults,
>>>>regardless of the genders involved.
>>>>Boys are harmed just as much as girls when they have 'consentual'
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>>sex
>>
>>>>with adults.
>>
>>>A 16 year old being referred to as a minor is more of a legal
>>
>>definition
>>
>>>than a physiological definition.
>>
>>It can be a physiological definition, but again, to determine this
>>status for every person on a case by case basis would be cumbersome and
>>introduce gross inequities in the judicial process.  To keep justice
>>relatively fair, we agree, as a society, to treat all minors equally
>>under the relevant statutes and laws.
>>
>>Thus a 16 year old is a minor, where defined so by law.  Whether they
>>have attained a certain level of physiological or psychological
>>development is irrelevant.
>>
>>
>>>>You simply do not know what you are talking about.  The research
>>>>indicates that trauma is incurred, and that this trauma is
>>
>>independent
>>
>>>>of the gender of the child involved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>It is always easy to be dismissive by alluding to generalities than by
>>
>>being
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>>>specific. I counter that you are being over-melodramatic to the point
>>
>>of
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>>>hysteria.
>>
>>I have been very specific.  I have cited a known expert in addiction
>>and sexual abuse of minors, and have provided a quote from his
>>observations in his ongoing medical and theraputic practice.  His
>>conclusions completely support my statement 'that trauma is incurred,
>>and that this trauma is independent of the gender of the child
>>involved.'
>>
>>You have provided no evidence at all.
>>
>>Thus, you do not know what you are talking about.
>>
>>
>>>>This is rape.  It is illegal.  It is unethical.  It is immoral.  The
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>>>>woman is a child molester, pervert and pedophile, just as a man who
>>>>does this is.  This is about equality under the law.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>It is not rape.  Your equalitarian view smacks more of political
>>
>>correctness
>>
>>>than a concern for the well-being of the young man.
>>
>>One of the definitions of rape is:
>>
>>RAPE - The carnal knowledge of a woman by a man (or vice versa)
>>forcibly and unlawfully against his or her will.  The knowledge of the
>>person must be forcibly and against their will; and if their consent
>>has not been voluntarily and freely given, (when they have the power to
>>consent,) the offence will be complete, nor will any subsequent
>>acquiescence on their part do away the guilt of the ravisher. A consent
>>obtained from a person by actual violence, by duress or threats of
>>murder, or by the administration of stupefying drugs, is not such a
>>consent as will shield the offender, nor turn the crime into adultery
>>or fornication.
>>
>>http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/q097.htm
>>
>>In order for it to be against ones will, they must refuse consent, and
>>must be able to give consent.
>>By nature, statute and law it is impossible for a minor to proffer
>>consent.  That is what 'Age of Consent' means.
>>No minor is capable of giving consent, therefore any minor who has sex
>>with an adult has been raped.
>>
>>It was against their will, as they are not legally capable to proffer
>>consent or know their own will.
>>It is forcible as the power differential between the adult and minor is
>>sufficient such that the adult can be construed to have forced the
>>minor to have sex.
>
>
> legal sophistry bullshit.
>
> All lawyers should hang slow.
>
>

Allo Mr. Shakespeare - I thought you had died
long ago.

The point is that the law is the law. You might
find the point rather tortuous - but it is still
the law. That is the point. If we startt to dis
miss the law on the grounds that we think it is
legal sophistry then we can all do pretty well
as we like.

If a substantially adult man had done this he
would get hammered.

D.


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