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From: hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: alt.cancer.support, alt.support.diabetes, fidonet.diabetes,
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Subject: Re: Single Payer Universal Health Care
Date: 24 May 2004 12:28:52 -0500
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In article , W. Baker  wrote:
>In alt.support.diabetes Proconsul  wrote:

>: "Skeptic"  wrote in message
>: news:9Jbsc.103231$iF6.9532547@attbi_s02...

>: | "Ted Rosenberg"  wrote in message
>: | news:2hc3bpFb2krnU1@uni-berlin.de...

			.....................

>: It's not a fraction of prepaid health plans.....Medicare, like any
>: government bureaucracy, lives on excessive paperwork managed by hordes of
>: overpaid civil servants. They just conveniently report whatever part of the
>: cost they want to report....just as those who champion single payer don't
>: tell you that all too often care is rationed and unavailable to
>: many....another way of keeping costs down. I prefer the private sector and
>: open competition - whenever you have a free market and competition, quality
>: goes up and costs go down....that's an a priori truth.....



>And HMO's don't ration healthcare unless they are forced?  

Which is one reason why I would avoid using an HMO.  The
local HMO is not bad, and might even be cheaper for me than
what I am now paying, but I consider the ability to make
choices to be important.  We do not have enough competition;
at least the courts have ruled that medical groups do not
have the right to block competition.  
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are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu         Phone: (765)494-6054   FAX: (765)494-0558