->> ->> you've got what i've got... i'm just delivering the message...
->> ->> you want "proof"? do the research you appear
to be asking me
->> ->> to do ;-)

->>  EC> I'm perfectly willing (unlike many in this echo) to support
->>  EC> the claims I make.  But I see no reason to support the claims
->>  EC> of others.

->> i guess Frontline isn't good enough for you?

 EC> I have no idea what Frontline said,

it is what i posted in the first place... maybe you missed that?

 EC> but I hope it wouldn't speculate on what "theory" people have
 EC> in mind without some tangible basis such as things they have
 EC> written or things they have said in speeches.

how can anyone honestly think these guys are going to come right out and
say this stuff? especially if they're trying an end run around something?

 EC> Too many people project their own biases into pseudo-facts.
 EC> These days you can find people on any sidewalk who will tell
 EC> you that they KNOW the REAL reason why Bush might attack Iraq.
 EC> All those REAL reasons that they KNOW are true cannot all be
 EC> true.

sure they can be... it doesn't take much to look at one's past history and
put two and two together... 9/11 was not so much a diversion as people
might think... on one hand, it was additional fuel for an already burning
fire...

 EC> And they rarely have anything to do with the peace negotiations
 EC> after the Gulf War or the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

yeah, so?

 EC> Maybe Rumsfeld really believes that we have a responsibility
 EC> to spread democracy.

democracy (religion and other stuff) should only be spread to those that
_want_ it... we can show them but we can't do it for them... they have to
take some responsibility and do some things themselves...

 EC> Most of this "theory" sounds pretty good, until you get to
 EC> the point of possibly imposing it on others.  If so, those
 EC> who make the claim should be able to support it.  Otherwise
 EC> they are just creating a myth.

just as those in the past who have altered written history to hide the
truth and make their agenda be the proper one after all is said and done...

 EC> A good journalist would not just speculate on motives.  And a
 EC> good journalist would not just assume that this motive is the
 EC> "real reason" while all else is just mask.

no one said that all else was just a mask...

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