From: Adam Flinton 

Mark wrote:
> "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message
> news:42c04abf{at}w3.nls.net...
>
>>Mark wrote:
>>
>>>"Gary Wiltshire"  wrote in message
>>>news:op.ss1jit08eipai0{at}news.barkto.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:01:20 -0400, Rich Gauszka

>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'll give the devil his due and say I don't think Rumsfeld would
>>>>>'chicken
>>>>>out'.  The populace was pretty evenly divided on the
war from the start
>>>>>and
>>>>>public opinion is starting to sway in the 'it's not
worth it camp' so
>>>>>anything could happen in the future. It appears to be a
mess with no
>>>>>viable
>>>>>solution now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The next major terror attack in the US will sway it back to
"worth it."
>>>
>>>
>>>Being that we all have access to the same sources of information, I
>>>cannot fathom coming to the conclusion that it's a "mess
with no viable
>>>solution." Rich and Sen. Kennedy are entitled to think
what they want,
>>>but when Kennedy says "quagmire" from his position of
power, it's not
>>>very helpful -- to put it way too mildly.
>>>
>>>From what I see, it's going at least as well as could be expected,
>>>probably better than that. I never expected it to be a wham, bam, thank
>>>you maam thing. I believe I've said I figured about 5 years, along with a
>>>much, much smaller permanent presence. Note too, that Rumsfeld didn't say
>>>he thought the Iraq insurgency in particular would last 12 years, but
>>>that that insurgencies in general can last for a number of different time
>>>periods; I think it was Abizaid that I heard say the actual average for
>>>all insurgencies is 9 years.
>>
>>ROFLMAO Cough cough....ummmm & in a large number of those
>>insurgencies....the insurgents win.......
>>
>>So......we're 2 & 1/2 years in....6/12 years before the US helos are
>>flying off the roof of the Baghdad embassy?
>
>
> If we're stupid enough to do that again, then we're dead meat in our cities,
> towns, train stations, airports and ports forevermore.
>
>

Nope. Are you being hunted down by Vietnamese death squads in black
pyjamas? Nope? In fact ain't the Viets just been over for a meet &
greet?

If the US loses face in the ME it will most probably be the PRC & India
who fill the void & not the beardy other worlders.

India coz it's close & big & the prc coz they can help them
properly with "internal security" unfettered by illusions of
liberty, human rights & democracy.

Adam

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