On 8 Mar 2005 07:25:42 -0800, "Hyerdahl"  wrote:

>
>Skinner1{at}hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 05:36:31 GMT, Mz. Rikki 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2 Mar 2005 07:41:00 -0800, "Hyerdahl"
 wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Foxy Grandpa wrote:
>> >>> "Hyerdahl"  wrote in message
>> >>> news:1109615686.709106.72870{at}z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> >
> The failure of ones birth control is completely in ones own hands,>
>howldog;  when a child is born one can either assume it was wanted
>and/or assume that someone was not 100% responsible for their own >BC.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> OR WE CAN ASSUME(USUALLY) FRAUD
>> >>
>> >>So then, you HAVE a case of paternity fraud to show us?  How many
>are
>> >>there?  :-)
>> >
>> >Not as many as there are cases of rape!
>
>So then, we can assume that men rape and women don't.  And we can also
>assume that there is no paternity fraud cases, when you can't provide
>even one.  Good of you to agree.The men here simply will not discuss
>the fact that they are 100 percent responsible for their actions.
>>
>> YOu might get a LOT more recognition for your point if you were to
>> also add in the fact that WOMEN TOO are responsible for THEIR
>> actions.....
>

Ho Ho Ho on there a little bit..... I have ALWAYS been responsible in
my intimacies. I have always been ready to live up to any "accidents"
that I might have been part of.

I will agree with you though... The idiot in this story SHOULD have
recognized this conniving (rhymes with witch) for what she was and
SHOULD have avoided her at all costs.

>They are indeed.  When a child is born it's because women and men
>failed to protect adequately against said birth.  The woman is just as
>legally responsible as the man.  So what are you bitching about?
>

Yeah Right. When was a WOMAN hunted down like a rabid dog for back
child support??

I quote from a FOX news story.... Go read it for yourself:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,59963,00.html

"Census figures show only 57 percent of moms required to pay child
support -- 385,000 women out of a total of 674,000 -- give up some or
all of the money they owe. That leaves some 289,000 "deadbeat" mothers
out there, a fact that has barely been reported in the media.

That compares with 68 percent of dads who pay up, according to the
figures."

Got anything to say about that honey? Where is your sanctamony over
this little issue. YOu preach responsability. Put your money where
your mouth is!

>>
>> But I understand the Femanist point that men are responsible for
>their
>> actions and men are responsible for WOMEN'S actions too!
>
>Not so.  Each person, alone, is responsible for their own reproductive
>materials.  When they send such materials into the stream of
>possibility, they risk childbirth.

That's a fact.... and I say until women's attitudes change a little we
men should make REAL DAMNED sure that none of our seed ends up where
it can come back and haunt us!




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