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On 8 Mar 2005 16:28:56 -0800, "ddnoe{at}bellsouth.net"
wrote:
>Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> On 5 Mar 2005 06:57:49 -0800, "ddnoe{at}bellsouth.net"
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> On 4 Mar 2005 03:34:38 -0800, "ddnoe{at}bellsouth.net"
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> >> On 3 Mar 2005 04:50:56 -0800,
"ddnoe{at}bellsouth.net"
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I've got a review up at
>> >http://www.domsview.com/Vol6/I2/review2.htm
>> >> >> >about the made-for-TV movie, "The Man
in the Attic," starring
>> >Neil
>> >> >> >Patrick Harris, Anne Archer, and Len Cariou.
The film tells
>the
>> >> >story
>> >> >> >of a dominant woman and a submissive man as
does my Crime
>Library
>> >> >> >article on the case that inspired it.
>> >> >> > Note to Grizzlie and Society: as you
know, I have written
>> >about
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >opposite sort of relationship in the past as
in my essay on
>> >"Women
>> >> >> >Filmmakers for Women's Submission." I
intend to write about
>male
>> >> >> >dominant-female submissive relationships in
the future,
>> >especially
>> >> >as
>> >> >> >depicted in the popular media.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I appreciate the update, Denise, as I am always
attempting to
>keep
>> >> >> track of your every move - to the exclusion of
everything else.
>> >> >
>> >> >(Denise) I'm sorry, Grizzlie, if it sounded like that. : /
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's all right, Denise. I was just pulling your leg.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >I just
>> >> >didn't want you to be mad at me for writing about the
reverse of
>the
>> >> >sort of relationship you like.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I understand.
>> >>
>> >> But now it's time for ME to ask a question.
>> >>
>> >> Since you are also a true crime buff, what is your opinion on the
>> >> identity of Jack the Ripper?
>> >>
>> >> Specifically, what is your view as to the Maybrick Diary? Is it a
>> >> fraud? Or is it a remarkable historical work that solves the most
>> >> famous unsolved serial killings of all time by
identifying "Jack"
>as
>> >> Liverpool cotton broker, James Maybrick?
>> >>
>> >> Or does the truth lie in between? Or are you not sure?
>> >>
>> >> I'd be interested to know.
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------------
>> >(Denise) I'm glad you're interested in my opinion on this, Grizzlie.
>> >Unfortunately, the Jack the Ripper case isn't one I've studied at
>> >length. I've been far more interested in its American counterpart,
>the
>> >Lizzie Borden case and have written extensively on that one.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd hardly call the Lizzie Borden case the counterpart of Jack the
>> Ripper.
>>
>> The Ripper killings took place in the mean streets of Whitechapel and
>> no one was ever brought to trial for them.
>>
>> The murder of Lizzie Borden's parents took place in a respectable
>> household and there was an arrest and trial.
>>
>>
>> > However, I did write a review of "From Hell"
that was published
>in
>> >"The Hatchet: The Journal of Lizzie Borden Studies"
because the
>> >magazine publishes items that are about the Victorian era.
>> > I personally have no specific candidate for Jack the Ripper
>> >although I do have a strong belief as to his motive. None of the
>five
>> >victims was raped. Does that mean Jack was actually a Jill? I
>don't
>> >think so because these streetwise, tough hookers would probably have
>> >been able to fight off (or at least one would) an attacker of their
>own
>> >gender. So if Jack was a "Jack," why did he never
commit rape?
>> >Because he was afraid of catching a sexually transmitted disease --
>and
>> >revenge for someone dear to him getting such a disease from a hooker
>> >was his motive. Of course, this motive has been developed with a
>> >variety of candidates.
>>
>>
>> You may want to read the Maybrick Diary. I strongly believe in its
>> veracity and that it solves the JTR mystery. I strongly believe that
>> James Maybrick was Jack the Ripper.
>>
>> His motive stemmed from his agony over his wife's indiscretions, and
>> he transferred his hatred onto his prostitute victims. Mary Kelley
>> was the youngest and prettiest of the victims and the one who most
>> greatly resembled his wife, and this is why her murder was the most
>> brutal.
>>
>> There's a photograph of the carnage, in which you can see the
>initials
>> "FM" (Florence Maybrick) scrawled in blood on the wall next to the
>> corpse. Some people claim not to be able to see those initials, and
>> I'm willing to grant that the "F" might be questionable
but there can
>> be no dispute about the "M".
>>
>> Male serial killers don't necessarily have to rape female victims. I
>> think that it's been shown that rape is more likely to occur with
>> younger perpetrators and less likely to occur with older ones.
>>
>> Maybrick turned 50 in October 1888.
>>
>> Anyway, the Ripper murders were often committed at a time and place
>> when the perpetrator was risking detection. If the Ripper had
>> remained at the scene long enough to commit serial murder AND rape,
>he
>> would have been pressing his luck.
>>
>
>(Denise) Dear Grizzlie,
>I wrote a reply through private email because this is getting off the
>thread's topic but you didn't reply. Is there a reason you don't want
>to privately correspond with me?
Not at all. But I haven't received ANYTHING from you in my yahoo
mailbox.
I'm guessing that you wrote to my earthlink mailbox, which I hardly
every check, but which I will check now.
If I find your email in my earthlink mailbox, I will respond.
But my sig is supposed to make clear my overwhelming preference that
people correspond to me through my YAHOO mailbox.
My reasoning is, that ISP's come and go but that yahoo is forever;
that's why I prefer to privately correspond through yahoo.
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"Populus me sibilat, at mihi plaudo."(The people
hiss at me, but I am well satisfied with myself).
- Horace, the Roman poet
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British universities, is suicidally bent upon
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thing. (As Wyndham Lewis suggested in "Self
Condemned", the neo-positivist pedant reduces
himself to a mosquito, able to wound, nearly
invulnerable to counter-assault - but only an
insect, not a man).
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