CB> MS>Or to deny admissions to kids with bad SAT scores.
CB>  
CB> The SAT is not a very good indicator of knowledge acquired - it does
CB> even make a pretense of being based on high school curriculums.  Man
CB> schools in our area are now more interested in the ACT which, as mor
CB> than one college recruiter has indicated to me, shows a much higher 
CB> correlation with success in college.
 
Hi Charles,
 
  PMFJI, but I thought this interesting in light of a recent tasking I 
received from Headquarters Air Force ROTC.  The HQs folks were polling 
all the senior level (college) ROTC programs to see which test their 
universities relied upon (or flat out required) for admission.  All 
four universities/colleges that we are associated with prefer the ACT 
over the SAT, while they will accept the SAT, there is a definite 
preference.  Our four schools are:  North Dakota State University, 
University of North Dakota, Moorhead State University and Concordia 
College (the latter two in Moorhead Minnesota).  I'd have to double 
check with our admissions folks at NDSU, but I thought the entry level 
ACT score actually went up this year--don't quote me on that though, 
I'll have to verify it to be sure.  I do know for AFROTC scholarships, 
students need a 24 combined ACT to be eligible to apply and *probably* 
a 29-31 range to be competitive (all else being equal).
 
  Interesting I never took the ACT or SAT when I was a student.  I 
entered a business college that didn't require it and then transfered 
to a four year institution that waived the requirement since I was a 
transfer student.  I did take a GMAT at one point when I began my 
graduate work--the first time--but it was toooo long ago to remember 
much of substance about the test.  When I entered my Master of Human 
Relations program with the University of Oklahoma, I did not have any 
particular testing requirement to satisfy for enrollment.
 
  I routinely advise students to get in and take their ACTs early and 
review their scores to test again if need be -- it's all part of the 
process of earning a piece of the scholarship pie.  I wonder if that's 
how most students and counselors view these tests, not so much a 
measure of whether "learning has occurred" but as a necessary evil in 
the bid for scholarship resources?  Yes they are used as an element in 
the admissions process -- I'd have to talk with some of my admission 
friends to get a feel for the numbers of students who don't hit the 20 
or 21 range (what I've seen in some schools as min entry rqmts).  I 
usually only see the kids that are scoring 24+ anyway so I may not have 
a good feel for the whole picture.
 
  Oh well.  Just some observations on the ACT and my experience with 
it.  Hehehe good thing they didn't deny me entry into college for want 
of an SAT score, lord knows I could still be flipping burgers at micky 
D's!!  ;)
 
Dale
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