GoddessBaybee wrote:
> In article ,
the Danimal
> says...
> >
> >GoddessBaybee wrote:
> >> In article
,
> >the Danimal
> >> says...
> >> >GoddessBaybee wrote:
> >> >> If I was in this situation, I'd seriously consider breaking up
> >> >> with the guy. IMO, if a guy goes to a prostitute that says
there is
> >> >> something fundamentally wrong with his view of sex.
> >> >
> >> >So, GoddessBaybee, why do you think there is something
> >> >"fundamentally wrong" with the john's view of sex?
> >>
> >> I believe this to be fundamentally wrong because it is devoid of
> >> mutual affection, attraction, interaction etc.
> >
> >Do you mean fundamentally wrong for just you, or fundamentally
> >wrong for everybody?
>
> I believe it's fundamentally wrong for me.
> I'm sure there are some women who wouldn't have a problem
> with it....but honestly... it seems like most of the women I've met
seem to be
> at least somewhat disgusted by johns.
>
> >When you sold drinks to men who were willing to pay extra to
> >get a close look at you, was your transaction devoid of
> >mutual affection, attraction, interaction etc.?
>
> um, dan, I didn't have sex with the guys I sold drinks to.
>
> >And if so, did that make your transaction fundamentally wrong?
> >
> >Do you also think it is fundamentally wrong to buy food from
> >a grocer, if you are unable to charm anyone into giving you
> >food because they like you?
> >
> >Note: I am already aware that your emotional reaction to the
> >concept of buying food is different from your emotional reaction
> >to the concept of buying sex. If you wanted to be perfectly honest,
> >you would just report your emotions and quit pretending you
> >can logically derive an absolute morality from your personal
> >biases. You're not fooling anybody, expect perhaps people
> >who agree with you in that one respect and are similarly
> >unable to reason farther than they feel.
>
> Dan, I'm quite capable of reason.
>
> Also, I'm aware that emotions are not random.
> Fear, disgust, etc, aint random.  For example, we tend to be afraid
of things
> that might hurt us.  Sometimes, we'll use reason to try to override
emotions.
> For example, someone who's afraid of mice, might be able to reason
themselves
> out of it, by convincing themselves that mice aint gonna hurt 'em.
>
> In the case of my disgust of johns, do you think I should try to
reason myself
> out of it?  I don't.  I think it's probably in my best interest to
avoid johns
> as sex partners.  For one thing, there's the disease risk.  Also, a
man who
> doesn't view sex as an experience involving mutual affection, mutual
attraction,
> and normal human interaction, probably aint the right guy for me.
>
>
> Baybee

Hello Baybee,

This is all moot since both of us are married.  So don't think
I'm hitting on you or anything. :-)

Seriously: Many women may be disgusted by Johns but we're not as
bad as you might imagine.  For one thing, we're very honest
in our relationships.  Many women have complained to me that they
distrusted men's intentions and were disgusted by the deceit
men had expressed not only on a dinner date, but in asking
them out.

I've waited for a train sometimes and struck up conversations
with strangers and in most foreign countries people are very
friendly.  American women, however, are often outright hostile
to someone just making conversation because they think we're
"hitting" on them (as if that's a bad thing considering that's
often the woman's sole way of meeting men.)  It appears to me
that such women consider ALL men a little bit icky who
have to pay for her company just so she'll talk to his
cootie covered arse. :-)

If there's a "disease risk" with John's, there's an emotional
disease risk with normal dinner dating.  If a woman has gone
out with 20 losers before on a similar date, what guarantee
is there she won't dump some of that baggage on the poor
loser whose forking out for the canoli this time?  How does
she know that he hasn't practiced certain lines on a dozen
other similar women already?  After all, if he appears smooth,
(or just vulnerable enough) it must be due to practice!

When I (and men such as me) chose to go out with a woman
on a dinner date we "have a crush" on, there was no need
for me to engage in any kind of subterfuge.  I was
"master of my domain".

I think much of the dislike American women have for men
comes not from feminism (directly) but rather from
the disgust they feel for slimy men constantly pawing
at them with their eyes and pick up lines from when
the women first become sexually active.

regards,
Mark Sobolewski



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