In article ,
 "Hyerdahl"  wrote:
> Mark Sobolewski wrote:

> > And this proves that jeans are expensive, how?
>
> We were speaking of Russian women wanting American culture, and the
> expense is not relevant to that.

You had written:

"I guess that's why Russian women pay so much for American blue jeans"

and I had written that jeans in the former USSR are largely
inexpensive.  Ker-plunk.

> > (edit)>
>
> > > > Ever hear of eharmony.com?
> > > >
> > > Sure, but that isn't about buying a submissive spouse;  that's just
> > > about finding a dating venue.
> >
> > So these women don't date strangers? :-)
>
> Dating services are not about buying mates, Mark;  it's just that
> simple.

Don't dating services cost money?  Don't career women put themselves
up on such services to find an income producing man?

> > Before Anita "coke can" Hill, certainly. :-)  Work
> > was the double-dipper's playground for meeting
> > "non-sexist" provider men.
> >
> And, to some degree, people STILL meet their mates at work,

Yeah, sure.  That's why the desperate aging career women
are going online. :-)

> but
> no...there is no playground there and that's a good thing.

I remember "9 to 5" in the 80's with Dolly Parton, Jane Fonda, and
(I forget her name, but good actress) who tried to humanize
the workplace beyond the vision of the sexist sweatshop manager.

Indeed, feminists are NOT known today for their sense of humor
or having fun.

> And women
> are still meeting non-sexist provider men. :-)

Sure.  A shrinking minority.  Those who don't get
directions from feminists to the fertility clinic
and a 6 sided die to throw.

> You see, a non-sexist
> man recognizes the value of having a family, Mark.

Er, and sexist men don't?  After all, in both cases,
a man must meet up to sexist standards to be a primary
breadwinner.

> And, let's be
> honest here, you can't have a family without some individual woman to
> gestate one for you.

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

Yes, and I can't get any milk either unless I buy
it at the store for 2 bucks a gallon.

Moooo!

> > >  And eharmony.com is used by BOTH sexes
> > > whereas, only insecure men seek submissive women from poverty
> stricken
> > > countries.
> >
> > Yeah, Donald Trump is really insecure. :-)
>
> Donald Trump may be an example of a very insecure man, actually;  I
> mean if he doesn't have money, he's just another comb-over guy, no?
> :-)  You may have mistaken arrogance for security.

Yeah, I'm sure Donald Trump probably is crying in his bed
knowing women such as you say such a thing about his hair.

> I don't see how that is relevant to the FACT that jeans are part of
> American culture.

Something to add here:

Cheeseburgers no doubt are a part of American culture as
are pizza and hot dogs.  But Germans and Italians probably
don't necessarily think of themselves as Americanized if
they enjoy a taste of these delicacies.

> > In fact, I'd have to look but I
> > > may also own a pair.  :-)  Jeans are part of American culture
> > > regardless of where they're manufactured.  Most folks agree with
> that.
> >
> > Yeah, I guess I'll have to take your good word for
> > most folks agreeing with you there.  :-)  When it comes
> > to Italian designer jeans, it's part of American culture.
> >
> Jeans were invented here.  Cowpokes wore them, and then they were the
> uniform of the common man

So does that mean that everytime you eat spaghetti you yearn
to adapt the ways and customs of the people of China?

> > > > Probably the LAST thing most modern Russian immigrants
> > > > come for is the "culture".
> > >
> > > Most people "come" to America for what they perceive to be a
> 'better
> > > life' and that does include American culture.
> >
> > Gee, you really should make a lot more money than a former
> > legal secretary considering how you have your thumb
> > on the pulse of what "most people" think.
>
> Well, it's simply obvious, Mark, that if you don't like American
> culture, it would be foolish to move here.  I mean you can't commute to
> America and return to mother Russia on weekends.  :-)

Ex-pats do it all the time and travel back every year or so
to get their fix.

They can get together with other ex-pats and hang out when
they're not working or at home.  There's no culture
police that forces people to "think" American.

> > > I have an acquaintence
> > > whose family is from India...but he was raised in Pakistan.
> >
> > And he's as real as your NRA membership card. :-)
> >
> Whatever.  You're starting to get a bit boring on this issue.

Tell you what:

You claimed to have traveled to Australia on vacation.  Most of
us think you probably went to someplace a bit less expensive.

Prove us wrong.

You may fax me a copy of the page in your passport which contains
the DATED stamps without any fear of revealing your identity.
You can include the NRA lifetime membership card with
the numbers covered over too.

Oh wait, you don't have either of those things.  Nevermind.
Is this getting boring?  :-)

> > > So am I.  :-)  In a land as rich as ours, one would think we'd find
> > > ways to edcuate our people better, but then, we wouldn't have the
> > > government we do.
> >
> > Indeed.  DC has one of the highest rates of per capita spending
> > per pupil yet most wind up ready-made for the prison system.
> >
> > That's the "metro" system in action.
>
> ????   Well, part of educating people to where they want to BE part of
> a safe and free society is to make sure they have options.

And the elected representatives of these people spend at
least as much money as any other region to give them
that option.

>   The biggest
> problem I see with our school system is that kids who don't know where
> they want to work or what they want to do are left to their own devise
> after graduation.

Ever hear of a guidance counselor?

>  It would be much better to apprentice jrs and srs.
> into the business world.  That's what I did in my last year of high
> school; I went to school one half day and worked afternoons, eves. ,
> and weekends.

All so you could work as a legal secretary.  Good for you!

What's funny about most rad-feminists is that they usually
don't earn a lot of money.  If they're educated, it's
usually in some fru-fru worthless specialty such as
women's studies and they work for little more than
they could clear at Starbucks and pretend that their
oppression makes them equal to Donald Trump somehow.
"Hey!  It's not MY fault that I'm little better
than some illegal immigrant serving cokes!"

Most of the ideal career women you worship really don't
care about feminism.  Many if not most even vote
republican and yearn sexist men to support them
and will say whatever they think will get them.

> > >  One friend of mine > from Moscow broke down and cried when he saw
> what
> > > L.A. really  looked like.
> > > >
> > > Well, LA is pretty spread out;  there are many places to
"look".
> > > However, if you've ever been to Venice, I understand many people
> come
> > > away thinking it more of a sewer system than how it has been
> depicted
> > > in the Las Vegas
> > > 'Venetian'. :-)  America tends to have the best and the worst
> society
> > > has to offer.  We have more violent gun-related murders here as
> well.
> >
> > He now lives in a section of the city where it doesn't
> > have such an ethnically diverse population.  A side
> > effect is that the gun-related murder rate is incredibly
> > low...
>
> Blaming minorities for the violence, instead of looking at the issues
> which create violence is the approach of most bigots.

So you're saying that OJ Simpson's accusors are racists
who want to perpetuate white supremecy? :-)

> > > > With the internet and 10 cents a minute telephone rates,
> > > > most people in for the former USSR know that America is
> > > > nothing like Baywatch or even "Sex and the City".
> > >
> > > Only the job-related parts of NYC are like "Sex and the
City", and
> > > that's sort of a microcosm of its own in the scheme of things.  And
> I
> > > agree, there is no "Baywatch", not in real life,
but there are
> > > lifeguards.  I spent some time in Sydney last year and took a ferry
> to
> > > a very nice beach with lifeguards.  A pretty high school girl
> wanted to
> > > have her picture taken with two lifeguards and they agreed.  She
> was
> > > facing the camera, and she had one guy holding up each of her arms
> > > ...with pants pulled down.  :-)  I guess she wanted a silly tourist
> > > picture.  I couldn't believe they said ok.
> > > :-)
> >
> > Wow!  That's a great story!  You ought to write fiction!
>
> Whatever, Mark.

So fax me the stamps.  Oh, wait, you'd have to HAVE really
gone there to do that.

> > > > I was laughing at propoganda from the metrovsretro.org
> > > > leftists claiming the blue states were enlightened
> > > > towers of progress with the "retro" states people
> > > > living on farms and trailer parks.
> > >
> > > :-)  Well, each of us has an opinion on that, and we are free to
> decide
> > deserve, and if we fail to educate our populace, the government we
> > > deserve will be the govt. we are educated to expect. Don't you
> agree?
> >
> > I guess you should talk to the voters in the district about
> > how they managed to waste all that money.
> >
> > >  In realty, the inner cities where leftism is the strongest
> > > > are, at their best, office towers where most workers flee
> > > > for the suburbs at night.
> > >
> > > Again, it really depends on what you love.  In the SITC program,
> the
> > > gals loved NY.
> >
> > My wife likes it too.  For visiting.  But for most
> > people with a normal income, it's laughable to try
> > to have a life there.  (Especially with all the high
> > paying jobs fleeing the city for New Jersey or the
> > South.)
>
> There are still plenty of good jobs in NYC Mark.  However, people live
> where THEY choose, and not where you want them to live.

I don't recall anything in the above saying I was telling
them where to live.  Heck, I think all leftists should live
in states that are losing population and jobs if that's
what they want to do.  Fair enough? ;-)

I present a challenge:
> > Oh really!  Where is this street fair, exactly?  Is it
> > as real as your Kuwaiti friend and NRA card?
> >
> Mark has the need to denigrate today, but in the end, it doesn't matter
> a bit.

Translation: There is no such street fair.

> > It's not too difficult to figure out: I was pointing out
> > that her friendships were no substitute for actual family.
>
> Friendships are never a "substitute" for family.  You CHOOSE your
> friends. :-)

Indeed.

The only intimate long term relationships you were capable
of having were those where your parents had an obligation
to look after you OR you could threaten to starve your
kids if they didn't kowtow to your demands.

Adult "partners" didn't stay around with you for very long.

> Well, I suppose it depends on what she tells her friends. :-)  But, no
> you need not worry.  How many years does it take to become a citizen?
> :-)

I guess I would find out since they're my friends too.

> > > Sure you do, Mark.  Fat men are no more attractive than fat women
> no
> > > matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise.
> >
> > A man with an extra 20 lbs is hardly "fat".
> >
> It's actually the same for both.

For men, the weight may go to the gut, but this is just
a little extra "love handles".

For women, it goes straight to the thighs and the waist
changing her figure utterly.  Also, as I became very
aware, women tend to look at a man's height first and
foremost.  So if he gains 20 lbs, most women really
won't care.

Nice try at denial but my harsh honesty, even with myself,
blows away your credibility.

> > > > I remember a cute conversation I had with an American
> > > > woman I met through the personals 10 years ago.  She
> > > > went on and on about what she demanded and asked
> > > > me how tall I was.  At that point, I had given
> > > > up so I thought, what the hell, I'll have a little
> > > > fun: I said 6 feet tall.
> > > >
> > > > I asked her how much she weighed.
> > > >
> > > > She fidgeted and said that she was "normal" and I asked
> > > > for a number.  She squeezed out 150lbs.
> > >
> > > > I said I didn't think things were going to work out. :-)
> > > >
> > > Well, 150 is quite a bit, especially if she's short.  I must admit
> > > tho...it seems a bit shallow to me to be discussing looks before
> you
> > > even meet.  And, it sounds like you're a rather shallow hal...lying
> to
> > > her while she was, apparently telling you the truth.  But that's
> what
> > > I've come to expect from you, Mark.
> >
> > Lying isn't shallow.  On the contrary, I didn't care if
> > she was a bit "chunky".  I was only looking for a way
> > to expose her shallowness and did so effectively.
>
> Lying is shallow, Mark.  And, you're assuming that her asking about
> your height (which appears to be a sore point with you)  wasn't just a
> way for her to make conversation.

At first, it was a sore point with me until I realized that
they wouldn't even be talking with me if they weren't desperate.

Shallowness wasn't the issue so much as her hypocrisy.  That's
what made it so easy for me to play with her.

> >> > I guess Saudi women will get rights when Saudi men
> > > > feel like giving them, eh? :-)
> > >
> > > Every day, it seems that Saudi women are being more and more vocal
> and
> > > perhaps Saudi men are concluding that slaves will never love the
> > > master. > In any event, you can't "give" what
you don't own.
> >
> > So go there and feel free to be vocal. :-)
> >
> Why should I, when there's much to do fighting sexism right here?

"Germany has much better healthcare than the US"
Women's reproductive rights marcher, DC 2004

You claim to have all those great equal rights AND
special privileges to make up for "inequality" etc.

Yet even with all of that, you gals still have
an uphill battle.

Yet men who came to this country with little more than the
shirts on their back and facing ethnic discrimination

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