That Mossadegh guy was a real a-hole - lucky we got rid of him quick.

Turin wrote:

> You might want to try correlating that a little bit better.....
> 
> 
> George wrote:
> 
>>You forget the Iran/Iraq war with one million deaths.
>>You forget the uncivillized Iranian behavior of raiding an Embassy
> 
> and
> 
>>keeping foreigners captive.
>>
>>
>>"Turin"  wrote in message
>>news:1110580027.923380.80690{at}z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Ahh ...it's good to see yet another nation asserting it's nuclear
>>>sovereignty.  Bush the Wimp has backed down again.  Thank you,
> 
> Iran.
> 
>>>Our rogue, corporate slavemasters, sitting in their regime
> 
> government,
> 
>>>are looking ever more like the pathetic liars they are.
>>>
>>>Risk comes with freedom.  I would rather take my chances in a
> 
> free-er,
> 
>>>more dangerous world, where everyone wears a gun on the hip, than
> 
> one
> 
>>>filled with willing slaves who idiotically chant the word as they
> 
> walk
> 
>>>between endless metal detectors.
>>>
>>>You can't subordinate others into helpless non-resistance and have
>>>either freedom or democracy.
>>>
>>>
>>>The U.S. is primarily made up of a bunch of rationalizing asshole
>>>moderates who lie to themselves from one day to the next in an
> 
> endless
> 
>>>blame game.  Take your chances, you pitiful fucking cowards.  At
> 
> this
> 
>>>point, the country is simply sitting on it's laurels.  It's size
> 
> and
> 
>>>it's resources are the only things holding it together.
>>>
>>>That's why it feels threatened by stronger (per individual), but
>>>smaller (per country) nations, and tries to weaken them as well.
>>>
>>>(But, without giving up it's own advantages as part of the
> 
> "agreement"
> 
>>>...hahaha, now who the fuck is really going to accept THOSE
> 
> one-sided
> 
>>>terms?)
>>>
>>>
>>>Let's weed out the weak (the liberal), and the sedentary (the
>>>conservative).  Let's PUNISH WEAKNESS.
>>>
>>>Otherwise, the weakling becomes your master.  The weakling is far
> 
> more
> 
>>>vicious in her/his capriciousness than is the strong.
>>>
>>>
>>>FUCK the weak.
>>>
>>>Fuck the "protector" of the weak.
>>>
>>>...They bring us all down.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- - -
>>>
>>>The face of an angel, the charm of the devil:
>>>
>>>Turin
>>>
>>>
>>>I have such sites to show you...
>>>------------------------
>>>http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
>>>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
>>>------------------------
>>>
>>>"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth,
> 
> or
> 
>>>maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known
> 
> shall
> 
>>>burn in hell forever and ever...."
>>>
>>>-----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20050311/pl_nm/nuclear_iran_usa_dc
> 
>>>
>>>U.S. Backs Economic Incentives for Iran
>>>
>>>By Carol Giacomo and Arshad Mohammed
>>>
>>>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States, in a policy shift,
> 
> offered
> 
>>>Iran (news - web sites) economic incentives to abandon its
> 
> suspected
> 
>>>pursuit of nuclear weapons, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
> 
> (news -
> 
>>>web sites) told Reuters on Friday.
>>>
>>>
>>>Rice said in an interview the decision to allow Iran to begin talks
>>>join the World Trade Organization (news - web sites) and to
> 
> consider
> 
>>>letting it buy civilian airline parts gave Britain, France and
> 
> Germany
> 
>>>"more cards to play" in their negotiations to stop
what Washington
>>>regards as Iran's push for the atomic bomb.
>>>
>>>
>>>The U.S. decision marks a major policy shift by Washington, which
> 
> had
> 
>>>previously refused to offer such incentives to Iran. It was matched
> 
> by
> 
>>>a Europe decision to shift its approach and support referring Iran
> 
> to
> 
>>>the U.N. Security Council if it resumes uranium enrichment or
> 
> breaches
> 
>>>nuclear commitments.
>>>
>>>
>>>"This is giving to the Europeans more cards to play in their
>>>negotiations with the Iranians," Rice said. "This is
about unifying
> 
> the
> 
>>>international community so that it's the Iranians who are isolated,
> 
> not
> 
>>>the United States."
>>>
>>>
>>>Washington had effectively blocked Tehran from joining the WTO and
> 
> from
> 
>>>importing aircraft parts with substantial U.S. content, making U.S.
>>>support vital if Iran is to get either benefit.
>>>
>>>
>>>The united approach marks a milestone in efforts to curb what
>>>Washington believes is Iran's attempt to develop nuclear arms. Iran
> 
> has
> 
>>>denied it is seeking atomic weapons and has said its civilian
> 
> nuclear
> 
>>>program is for peaceful power generation.
>>>
>>>
>>>"The Europeans have a strategy which is to show the Iranians that
> 
> if
> 
>>>they are prepared to live up to their international obligations
> 
> there
> 
>>>is an alternative path to confrontation and ... a path to a better
>>>future," Rice said.
>>>
>>>
>>>While deeply skeptical the European diplomacy will work, U.S.
> 
> officials
> 
>>>have said they want to give it the best chance of success and to
>>>insulate themselves from blame if it fails.
>>>
>>>
>>>'NOT REWARDING THE IRANIANS'
>>>
>>>
>>>Rice denied the U.S. decision marked a policy shift, reflecting a
>>>general Bush administration reluctance to acknowledge when it has
>>>changed tack, or that offering Iran tangible benefits amounted to
> 
> any
> 
>>>reward.
>>>
>>>
>>>"We are supporting that diplomacy but this is most assuredly giving
> 
> the
> 
>>>Europeans a stronger hand, not rewarding the Iranians," she added.
>>>
>>>
>>>In their own statement, Britain, France and Germany made no
> 
> reference
> 
>>>to any deadline by which they might seek to refer the matter to the
>>>U.N. Security Council nor did they offer to support any U.S. call
> 
> for
> 
>>>U.N. sanctions.
>>>
>>>
>>>Rice also gave no indication on how long the United States will let
>>>European negotiations go on, whether it would set a deadline for
>>>referral to the Security Council, or whether it would push for
>>>sanctions if the matter goes there.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Negotiations ... create a particular dynamic to which you have to
>>>respond. I don't think it's time to talk about what we'll do when
> 
> we go
> 
>>>to the Security Council," Rice said. Asked about U.N. sanctions,
> 
> she
> 
>>>replied "We will cross that bridge when we get to it."
>>>
>>>
>>>In June 2004, Washington changed its approach on North Korea (news
> 
> -
> 
>>>web sites) by offering Pyongyang security guarantees if it abandons
> 
> its
> 
>>>suspected nuclear arms programs. Previously, Washington had said
> 
> would
> 
>>>not offer Pyongyang any "quid pro quo" to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>Rice said the U.S. decision to offer Iran incentives was in part an
>>>effort to focus the debate on whether or not Tehran will stop its
>>>alleged pursuit of nuclear weapons.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Part of the problem over the last several months has been that the
>>>focus has been too much on what the United States would do or what
> 
> the
> 
>>>Europeans are offering," she said.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"When really the issue is -- are the Iranians prepared to
> 
> demonstrate
> 
>>>that they are willing to live up to their international obligations
> 
> to
> 
>>>not seek a nuclear weapon under guise of civilian nuclear
> 
> programs?,"
> 
>>>she added.
>>>
>>>"We will now see whether the Iranians are really serious about
> 
> living
> 
>>>up to their international obligations," she said.
>>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - - -
> 
> Always an enlightening moment, with:
> 
> Turin
> 
> 
> I have such sites to show you...
> ------------------------
> http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> ------------------------
> 
> "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> burn in hell forever and ever...."
> 
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> 



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