From: Adam Flinton 

Mark wrote:
> It's been going on for centuries Geo.

Yup Just look at G. Washington & his merry band of
"insurgents" & their "asymetrical warfare".

> Are we fools to think that we can
> change things at this late date? Maybe. Probably. But the alternative is
> waiting to die if we don't buckle under to whomever the
"ruler" du jour
> is -- I'll take the odds that offense is better than defense.
>

You have buckled under already. Decide you want to declare UDI & stop
paying taxes/interacting with the American state.

Men with guns promising violence unless you buckle under will arrive.

> Bush's "offense" (preemptive ""'s for those that
think he's offensive) is
> aiming toward liberty and freedom, and that's a good thing that we have to
> promote in the spirit of our own freedom, regardless of interim set-backs.
>

That would be nice if it were true. The problem is that liberty etc is
normally founded on respect for the law/rule of law etc. & Bush has
shown himself to have as little time for that as any similar ruler (e.g.
Putin or the PRC Pres).


> The war for liberty, freedom, and individual human rights, has to be fought,
> doesn't it?

In which case maybe you should start fighting it. It is pointless to say
all that & yet meekly accept "extraordinary rendition" to
torturing dictatorships, Guantanamo etc.


> Will less lives be lost if we wait to fight it? I think not (as
> history proves). Should our soldiers fight the fight, in whatever arena, or
> should our civilians die, as "infidels," in the streets of
Dayton, Columbus
> and Akron, instead?
>

So it's better for global liberty & democracy etc that thousands of
Iraqi civies die instead of a few US ones?

Try & get your message consistent at least.

Adam


> "Geo"  wrote in message
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>>Was that going on prior to 911?
>>
>>Geo.
>>
>>
>>"Mark"  wrote in message
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>>>"Geo"  wrote in message
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>>>>"Mark"  wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>>>Where were the 750 more Londons prior to 911?
>>>>>
>>>>>China, Thailand (and ongoing there -- 800+ dead in the
last year and
>>
>>half
>>
>>>>at
>>>>
>>>>>the hands of al Qaeda), Rwanda...
>>>>
>>>>China and Thailand? To what do you refer?
>>>
>>>===
>>>One dead, one in coma as southern Thai violence tops 800
>>>
>>
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050707/wl_asia_afp/thailandsouthunresttoll_0507
07051802
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>>>At least 800 people have been killed and more than 1,200 wounded since
>>>January 2004, in unrest that authorities and analysts have blamed on a
>>>mixture of Islamic separatists, organised criminals and contraband
>>
>>smugglers
>>
>>>===
>>>
>>>China may not really fit exactly, but I was referring to Tibet and the
>>
>>world
>>
>>>ignoring (or as good as ignoring)  their plight vs. China.
>>>
>>>
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