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Cc: "Broc Olson" 
From: "Broc Olson" 
Reply-To: trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com

It is a 2 stage launch as stated.  Stage 1: Volcano to get you out of the
water. Stage 2: Phosphorous as the booster once you're in the atmoshere.
Phosphorus is volatile in air, not water.  Water as a cushion and
environment.  Also acts as fuel while in space. Sodium as the propellant or
just high pressure jets to manuever the craft while in orbit.

Broc Olson 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Stahl" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [trekcreative] Squids and Monkeys


> Broc Olson wrote:
>
> >Volcanoes.  Given that they've got the technology, they can block up a
> >volcano, using the pressure of the eruption to propel them out of the
water, Using phospherous as a propellant, it is possible to propell the
ship out of the atmosphere.
> >
> >Im not real sure of the physics involved, but it's basically a ship in a
> >cannon...albiet a really big one.
> >
> >
>
> Well volcanos for all the force at which they throw things do not throw
> rocks into orbit.  Next the reason we didn't develop people shooting
> orbital guns was the G forces.  With a gun the fastest the projectile
> will move is when it exits the barrel.  So to get something into orbit
> from a gun, the bullet must be doing escape velocity, plus enough to
> account for drag before it reaches the end of the barrel.  Living
> creatures cannot taker those kind of Gs.  J. Verne is forgiven for not
> knowing that his moon travelers would have been red jelly before the
> projectile reached the end of the barrel.
>
> In comparison man gets to orbit with gradual acceleration.  The moon
> trips were boosted it two stages, First, Earth orbit, then transit
> insertion.  Verne's gun was direct insertion.  They would have been dead.
>
> Next, you still have ot be out of the water.  Assuming none of the above
> is getting in the way of our squid tossing volcano gun, the
> incompressibility of water is getting in the way.  Our squidonaugt gets
> cooked by the volcano, blasted at 40 Gs, and stopped dead by the water.
>  Boiled, flash cooled, and canned.
>
> Now I am not saying squid is space is impossible.  I am pointing out how
> highly improbable it would be.  Everything we had to over come, plus
> overcoming their water environment.
>
> --
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