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to: old man joe
from: arah
date: 2007-03-22 16:41:08
subject: Re: If ` free will ` were true, Jesus would have had it too, being quit

From: "arah" 

My dear Old Man Joe

Jesus was born by the Virgin Mary  without a father and Christian called
him Son of God but Adam does not have any father or even a mother so Adam
should also to be  called son of God. Do you  agree with me?

Cheers

On Mar 23, 6:00 am, old man joe  wrote:
>    "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own
> ( thelema ) will, but the ( thelema ) will of Him who sent Me. "
>  Joh. 6:38
>
>   so says Apostle John as he puts to use the Bible word " thelema "...
> to express the purpose of heart by deliberate choice.
>
>   he uses this word ' thelema ' by inspiration of the Holy Spirit to
> describe that receiving Jesus Christ as Savior unto salvation has
> absolutely nothing to do with the " thelema " of man in Joh. 1:13
>
>   because John, as the rest, knew that otherwise, salvation is by good
> works and not by grace.  he knew one doesn't work to get graced by God
> because  " it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who
> runs, but on God who has mercy. "  Ro. 9:16
>
>   Luke understood unconditional election and records that as soon as
> Jesus broached the subject He was taken out of the synagogue to be
> thrown over a cliff.  Lk. 4:14-29
>
>   such is the case with all those even today who seek to control
> God... allowing no one to enter God's kingdom through grace alone
> apart from works, since they themselves have not entered His rest.
>
>   salvation by works controls people. people who preach salvation by
> the free will of man seek to control people by controlling the Lord,
> allowing Him to have a distant part in His own plan of salvation...
> and allowing no person who hasn't fulfilled all the conditions the
> free will, not grace preachers have placed on their kind of ' grace. '
>
>                   *******************************************
>
>   when the Son of God walked the earth proving Himself to be God
> Eternal by His many wonderful attesting miracles, He made it perfectly
> clear that He was under complete subjection to the " thelema "... will
> of the Father as John illustrates.
>
>   yet, He was also born of a woman... so much so was Jesus of the
> human family as well as being Eternal God that His neighbors viewed
> Him as no one out of the ordinary.  Mt. 13:55
>
>   His face did not shine as Moses did after talking with Jesus
>  on Mount Sinai ( Ex. 34:29 ) He never appeared to anyone during His
> earthly ministry as He did from the Glory Cloud in the Old Testament
> as in Ex. 16:10 et al
>
>   Jesus was under subjection to the " thelema " of the Father during
> His earthly ministry.  Joh. 6:38
>
>   in like manner, those called to witness the glory of the Lord as
> they proclaim His righteousness, and not their own, remember that they
> are created unto good works and not because of good works. Eph. 2:10
>
>   the elect of God are given a stewardship to speak the truth of God
> and not to filter it as to preach to itching ears.  the elect are to
> preach the hard doctrines as well, of grace, calling, election,
> repentance from sin, foreknowledge, predestination, and slave hood to
> Jesus Christ.
>
>   slave hood to Jesus Christ is not some highly desirable thing the
> unbeliever jumps at the chance to do of his imaginary free will.
> ( Joh. 6:65,66 )  but he must instead be dragged to Christ...
>
>   " No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws
> ( drags ) him "  Joh. 6:44
>
>   the free will of unbelievers, whether they name the Name of Christ
> by giving " feigned obedience unto Him " ( Ps. 66:3 ) or just be
> outright God haters, they're completely under the control of Satan,
> their good shepherd.  Joh. 8:44;  Eph. 2:2;  1 Joh. 5:19
>
>   just as Jesus did not preach freedom from but slave hood to God and
> lived His earthly life accordingly, so too, those elected by grace
> glorify the Lord God above in word and action. and not themselves here
> below...
>
>   for salvation never was by the " thelema " of man.  Joh. 1:13
>
>               *******************************************
>
>   the will worshipers simply seek to control salvation.  there
> theology is built around it.  there lives devoted to it.  they seek to
> control because they themselves are controlled.  Eph. 2:1-3;
> Joh. 8:44;  2 Tim 2:26
>
>   they speak of man and the things of man. they speak of conditions
> because in conditions lie control.  the is no control over whom God
> will grace.  they hate this.
>
>       *****************************************************************
>
> " and as many as had been appointed to eternal life, believed."
> Acts 13:48

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