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from: `turin` turin_turam{at}yaho
date: 2005-03-11 20:45:00
subject: Iran Faces Down Bush. Chickenhawks Posture.

Ahh ...it's good to see yet another nation asserting it's nuclear
sovereignty.  Bush the Wimp has backed down again.  Thank you, Iran.
Our rogue, corporate slavemasters, sitting in their regime government,
are looking ever more like the pathetic liars they are.

Risk comes with freedom.  I would rather take my chances in a free-er,
more dangerous world, where everyone wears a gun on the hip, than one
filled with willing slaves who idiotically chant the word as they walk
between endless metal detectors.

You can't subordinate others into helpless non-resistance and have
either freedom or democracy.


The U.S. is primarily made up of a bunch of rationalizing asshole
moderates who lie to themselves from one day to the next in an endless
blame game.  Take your chances, you pitiful fucking cowards.  At this
point, the country is simply sitting on it's laurels.  It's size and
it's resources are the only things holding it together.

That's why it feels threatened by stronger (per individual), but
smaller (per country) nations, and tries to weaken them as well.

(But, without giving up it's own advantages as part of the "agreement"
....hahaha, now who the fuck is really going to accept THOSE one-sided
terms?)


Let's weed out the weak (the liberal), and the sedentary (the
conservative).  Let's PUNISH WEAKNESS.

Otherwise, the weakling becomes your master.  The weakling is far more
vicious in her/his capriciousness than is the strong.


FUCK the weak.

Fuck the "protector" of the weak.

....They bring us all down.




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Turin


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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20050311/pl_nm/nuclear_iran_usa_dc


U.S. Backs Economic Incentives for Iran

By Carol Giacomo and Arshad Mohammed

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States, in a policy shift, offered
Iran (news - web sites) economic incentives to abandon its suspected
pursuit of nuclear weapons, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (news -
web sites) told Reuters on Friday.


Rice said in an interview the decision to allow Iran to begin talks
join the World Trade Organization (news - web sites) and to consider
letting it buy civilian airline parts gave Britain, France and Germany
"more cards to play" in their negotiations to stop what Washington
regards as Iran's push for the atomic bomb.


The U.S. decision marks a major policy shift by Washington, which had
previously refused to offer such incentives to Iran. It was matched by
a Europe decision to shift its approach and support referring Iran to
the U.N. Security Council if it resumes uranium enrichment or breaches
nuclear commitments.


"This is giving to the Europeans more cards to play in their
negotiations with the Iranians," Rice said. "This is about unifying the
international community so that it's the Iranians who are isolated, not
the United States."


Washington had effectively blocked Tehran from joining the WTO and from
importing aircraft parts with substantial U.S. content, making U.S.
support vital if Iran is to get either benefit.


The united approach marks a milestone in efforts to curb what
Washington believes is Iran's attempt to develop nuclear arms. Iran has
denied it is seeking atomic weapons and has said its civilian nuclear
program is for peaceful power generation.


"The Europeans have a strategy which is to show the Iranians that if
they are prepared to live up to their international obligations there
is an alternative path to confrontation and ... a path to a better
future," Rice said.


While deeply skeptical the European diplomacy will work, U.S. officials
have said they want to give it the best chance of success and to
insulate themselves from blame if it fails.


'NOT REWARDING THE IRANIANS'


Rice denied the U.S. decision marked a policy shift, reflecting a
general Bush administration reluctance to acknowledge when it has
changed tack, or that offering Iran tangible benefits amounted to any
reward.


"We are supporting that diplomacy but this is most assuredly giving the
Europeans a stronger hand, not rewarding the Iranians," she added.


In their own statement, Britain, France and Germany made no reference
to any deadline by which they might seek to refer the matter to the
U.N. Security Council nor did they offer to support any U.S. call for
U.N. sanctions.


Rice also gave no indication on how long the United States will let
European negotiations go on, whether it would set a deadline for
referral to the Security Council, or whether it would push for
sanctions if the matter goes there.


"Negotiations ... create a particular dynamic to which you have to
respond. I don't think it's time to talk about what we'll do when we go
to the Security Council," Rice said. Asked about U.N. sanctions, she
replied "We will cross that bridge when we get to it."


In June 2004, Washington changed its approach on North Korea (news -
web sites) by offering Pyongyang security guarantees if it abandons its
suspected nuclear arms programs. Previously, Washington had said would
not offer Pyongyang any "quid pro quo" to do so.


Rice said the U.S. decision to offer Iran incentives was in part an
effort to focus the debate on whether or not Tehran will stop its
alleged pursuit of nuclear weapons.


"Part of the problem over the last several months has been that the
focus has been too much on what the United States would do or what the
Europeans are offering," she said.





"When really the issue is -- are the Iranians prepared to demonstrate
that they are willing to live up to their international obligations to
not seek a nuclear weapon under guise of civilian nuclear programs?,"
she added.

"We will now see whether the Iranians are really serious about living
up to their international obligations," she said.



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