In article ,
 "Hyerdahl"  wrote:

> Mark Sobolewski wrote:
> > In article ,
> >  "Hyerdahl"  wrote:
> > > Mark Sobolewski wrote:
> >
>
> > > > And this proves that jeans are expensive, how?
> > >
> > > We were speaking of Russian women wanting American culture, and the
> > > expense is not relevant to that.
> >
> > You had written:
> >
> > "I guess that's why Russian women pay so much for American blue
> jeans"
> >
> > and I had written that jeans in the former USSR are largely
> > inexpensive.  Ker-plunk.
> >
> Our topic was not related to how much they pay, but THAT they pay
> whatever they cost.  IOW, American jeans in Russia are still very
> popular.

You're weaseling again.

If the jeans are cheap, then there's no need for women
to be desperate to 'pay whatever they cost' if they don't
'cost' very much!

Keep trying though.

Speaking of "paying" a lot for items of sentimental value:
I met many career women in the states who were willing
to put up with dating the likes of me in an attempt
to scarf a free meal.  Chivalry isn't dead, but it
sure is getting pretty old if you get my drift. :-)

> > > Dating services are not about buying mates, Mark;  it's just that
> > > simple.
> >
> > Don't dating services cost money?  Don't career women put themselves
> > up on such services to find an income producing man?
>
> Some dating services are free for women;

The same can be said for the sites Russian women
advertise themselves on.  You were saying?

In such cases, the discount is usually for YOUNG attractive
women...

>  there is no stipulation that
> women who sign on have to seek rich men.  :-)   However, most
> professional women would, it seems to me, want a professional man.

Er, duh. :-)

> Don't worry tho, Mark, there's some kind of dating service now for
> "rednecks"; it seems to me that a redneck woman would seek a redneck
> man there.  But, I could be wrong. :-)

Why would I worry?

>  (edit)
>
> >You see, a non-sexist man recognizes the value of having a family,
> Mark.
> >
> > Er, and sexist men don't?
>
> Sure, sexist men recognize the value but choose not to provide
> recognition for it.  :-)

Don't they support a spouse while most professional women
are not capable of making that commitment?

Indeed, I found it incredible how lowly plumbers and even
janitors could have a family of 4 while career women
of the same age with a pedigree of qualifications
spent years on the dating scene without results.

>  After all, in both cases,> a man must meet up to sexist standards to
> be a primary> breadwinner.
> >
> A woman seeking a "primary provider" is free do so; so are men.

There you go again using the word "seek" improperly again.

Until such women post on the internet, most are waiting
for such men to ride up on a white horse.  They're free
to "do so" too.

Men realize at a pretty early age that few provider liberated
women exist and learn to live with that fact.  They then
seek women who will meet their other needs.
Sure, it's "settling" but it's quite practical and
they have a lot of time!

On the other hand, finding a breadwinner who can
meet the standards of a career women is increasingly
a lottery which is why so many of them are hitting
the internet all that much faster.  Check out the
prostitution thread: Goddessbaybee says that young
professional men no longer need even bother with
hookers: They can get "hookups".

The neat thing about changing the world is that sometimes
things change that aren't quite expected.

> > > And, let's be> > honest here, you can't have a family
without some
> individual woman to> > gestate one for you.
> >
> > Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
> >
> The truth must hurt.
>
> > Yes, and I can't get any milk either unless I buy
> > it at the store for 2 bucks a gallon.
> >
> > Moooo!
>
> So, where can you get gestation and delivery service for the same
> price? :-)

That usually comes free.  It's the financial support
of the spouse AFTERWARD where the money goes.  Then
again, daycare and healthcare cost money too as
some liberated uber-gals are finding out. :-)

> >And eharmony.com is used by BOTH sexes whereas, only insecure men seek
> submissive women from poverty stricken> countries.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, Donald Trump is really insecure. :-)
> > >
> Donald Trump may be an example of a very insecure man, actually;  I
> > mean if he doesn't have money, he's just another comb-over guy, no?
> > > :-)  You may have mistaken arrogance for security.  Plus, I don't
> recall him buying his wife from a poverty stricken country.  But don't
> let little details like that bother you.
> >
> > Yeah, I'm sure Donald Trump probably is crying in his bed
> > knowing women such as you say such a thing about his hair.
>
> I think not.  I think Donald Trump knows exactly who he is and the fact
> that he has a shallow-hal kind of nature, and he's probably ok with
> that.
> Some people evolve; others don't.

I'm sure Donald Trump vacations in Australia for real.
How are you passport stamps doing? :-)

> (apparently there was some edit here)
>
> >
> > > Well, it's simply obvious, Mark, that if you don't like American
> > > culture, it would be foolish to move here.  I mean you can't
> commute to
> > > America and return to mother Russia on weekends.  :-)
> >
> > Ex-pats do it all the time and travel back every year or so
> > to get their fix.
>
> No they don't, Mark, certainly not as listed above.
> >
> (edit)
>
> > You claimed to have traveled to Australia on vacation.  Most of
> > us think you probably went to someplace a bit less expensive.
> >
> > Prove us wrong.
>
> Why do you insist upon personal information from me to prove up stories
> that are not offered as proof?

Answer: Because your personal stories are laughably false
and only discredit any point you're trying to defend.

Howz that?  See how I am able to answer challenges like a man?
Try it sometime!

> I was in Aus. for two months; it
> doesn't matter if you believe that any more than it matters to me that
> you believe I'm an NRA member.

A holmsian observation: If it didn't matter to you, you wouldn't
feel a need to have made up the story in the first place.

What ultimately matters as you've no doubt proved
by your eagerness to bring up my personal life is how
our ideologies make people happy.  If an ideology is
worthless in people's personal lives, it won't
be around that long.  It's difficult for you to
try to poke fun at me when you don't have much
to brag about, yes?

And as most people see in the media, feminism is largely
a dead end for most other women who share your
sentiments.  Many yearn to become housewives.

For debators, this is what it's all about: Seeing
the other person repeatedly discredited by reality.

> > > > > So am I.  :-)  In a land as rich as ours, one
would think we'd
> find
> > > > > ways to edcuate our people better, but then, we
wouldn't have
> the
> > > > > government we do.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed.  DC has one of the highest rates of per capita spending
> > > > per pupil yet most wind up ready-made for the prison system.
> > > >
> > > > That's the "metro" system in action.
> > >
> > > ????   Well, part of educating people to where they want to BE part
> of
> > > a safe and free society is to make sure they have options.
> >
> > And the elected representatives of these people spend at
> > least as much money as any other region to give them
> > that option.
>
> I'm not sure that's true.
> >
> > >The biggest problem I see with our school system is that kids who
> don't know where> they want to work or what they want to do are left to
> their own devise> after graduation.
> >
> > Ever hear of a guidance counselor?
> >
> Yes, but did you evern know of any who could provide entry jobs to
> people?

HAHAHAHA!

They can always offer the employer the opportunity to pay
for their previously "unpaid" work to clean their own
homes and raise their own children. :-)

> We need a partnership between our businesses and our educators, IMO.It
> would be much better to apprentice jrs and srs.> into the business
> world.  That's what I did in my last year of high> > school; I went to
> school one half day and worked afternoons, eves. , > and weekends.
> >
> > All so you could work as a legal secretary.  Good for you!
> >
> You are free to vainly imagine what you will, Mark.

Naw.  That appears to be your job. :-)

> > What's funny about most rad-feminists is that they usually
> > don't earn a lot of money.  If they're educated, it's
> > usually in some fru-fru worthless specialty such as
> > women's studies and they work for little more than
> > they could clear at Starbucks and pretend that their
> > oppression makes them equal to Donald Trump somehow.
>
> Legally, they ARE equal to Donald Trump, and I can imagine that Trump
> can understand that concept whether or not you can, Mark.

Yeah, I'm sure that millions of people care what
they say every week. :-)

Instead, the poor bittergirls, if they're lucky, hang
out in coffee klutches and bitch about how America
isn't more like Germany.

> As to women
> who choose to work for themselves instead of marrying 'the Donald', I'd
> say they had more honor.  But, perhaps that's just me.
> (edit)

Yeah, I'm sure what you say really matters to them more
than someone such as Donald Trump.

> > Most of the ideal career women you worship really don't
> > care about feminism.  Many if not most even vote
> > republican and yearn sexist men to support them
> > and will say whatever they think will get them.
>
> ???   It doesn't much matter to me that women "care about feminism" as
> long as they cherish their equal rights,

That's my point: Most may not give "equal rights" a lot
of thought if they're obsessed over finding a man to
buy them dinner. :-)

You were talking about Russian mail order brides selling
themselves out.  It may turn out that American women
may sell themselves out for a lot less.

> and I see that they do since
> none of them are lining up to give them up.  :-)

As the founding fathers repeatedly pointed out, not
lining up to defend a right is often the same thing.

>  AND, if feminist
> women want to marry up, I have no objection to that either.  It's all
> good.
> (edit)> >> > >
> > > > He now lives in a section of the city where it doesn't
> > > > have such an ethnically diverse population.  A side
> > > > effect is that the gun-related murder rate is incredibly
> > > > low...
> > >
> > > Blaming minorities for the violence, instead of looking at the
> issues
> > > which create violence is the approach of most bigots.
> >
> > So you're saying that OJ Simpson's accusors are racists
> > who want to perpetuate white supremecy? :-)
>
> I don't see how OJ has anything to do with it.  Do you?

So uncomfortable truths cause blindness. :-)

I was merely pointing out that OJ is a minority who claims
that he was targeted for accusation of violence by
racists.  It's a pretty obvious counterpoint to what
you wrote above.

But hey, if you don't want to "see it", ok.

> (edit)
> > > > > > I was laughing at propoganda from the metrovsretro.org
> > > > > > leftists claiming the blue states were enlightened
> > > > > > towers of progress with the "retro"
states people
> > > > > > living on farms and trailer parks.
> > > > >
> > >  :-)  Well, each of us has an opinion on that, and we are free to
> > > decide> deserve, and if we fail to educate our populace, the
> government we> > > deserve will be the govt. we are educated to expect.
> Don't you
> > > agree?
> > > >
> > > > I guess you should talk to the voters in the district about
> > > > how they managed to waste all that money.
> > > >
> > > > >  In realty, the inner cities where leftism is the strongest
> > > > > > are, at their best, office towers where most
workers flee
> > > > > > for the suburbs at night.
> > > > >
> > Again, it really depends on what you love.  In the SITC program,
> > the > gals loved NY.
> > > >
> > > > My wife likes it too.  For visiting.  But for most
> > > > people with a normal income, it's laughable to try
> > > > to have a life there.  (Especially with all the high
> > > > paying jobs fleeing the city for New Jersey or the
> > > > South.)
> > >
> > > There are still plenty of good jobs in NYC Mark.  However, people
> live
> > > where THEY choose, and not where you want them to live.
> >
> > I don't recall anything in the above saying I was telling
> > them where to live.  Heck, I think all leftists should live
> > in states that are losing population and jobs if that's
> > what they want to do.  Fair enough? ;-)
>
> I don't see how either of us get to regulate where folks live, no
> matter how "fair" you find it.

Indeed.  Neither do I "see" it.  Maybe you should get
your prescription checked?

> > > (edit)
>
> > > > It's not too difficult to figure out: I was pointing out
> > > > that her friendships were no substitute for actual family.
> > >
> > > Friendships are never a "substitute" for family. 
You CHOOSE your
> > > friends. :-)
> >
> > Indeed.
>
>  Well, I suppose it depends on what she tells her friends. :-)  But, no
> > you need not worry.  How many years does it take to become a citizen?
> > > :-)
> >
> > I guess I would find out since they're my friends too.
>
> Mark has the need to keep his Irina close, and his friends closer. :-)

Yes, closeness has another word for it: Intimacy.

> > >  Sure you do, Mark.  Fat men are no more attractive than fat women
> > > no > > matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > A man with an extra 20 lbs is hardly "fat".
> > > >
> > > It's actually the same for both.
> >
> > For men, the weight may go to the gut, but this is just
> > a little extra "love handles".
> >
> > For women, it goes straight to the thighs and the waist

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