On 12 Mar 2005 04:38:26 -0800, "Ben"  wrote:

>
>Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> On 11 Mar 2005 07:52:46 -0800, "Ben"
 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Hyerdahl wrote:
>> >> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> > On 10 Mar 2005 06:33:11 -0800, "Hyerdahl"

>> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> I was thinking myself that if either
Condoleeza Rice or
>Hillary
>> >> > >> Clinton or any woman became president, it's
quite possible
>that
>> >> the
>> >> > >> government would subsidize or otherwise
actively promote
>> >> > >> gender-selection abortion, targeting males
for extinction and
>> >that
>> >> > >> behind a pink iron curtain, mass butcheries
would begin.
>> >
>> >I'm thinking this is out there a tad.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm thinking that NOTHING is inconceivable when we are talking about
>> the war on males.
>
>Here's hoping I'm right and you're wrong.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> > >:-)  :-)  :-)  You are such an insecure little
Sim cockpuppet.
>> >:-)
>> >> > >It's funny, tho.  Here's the thing, women are
already CHOOSING
>the
>> >> > >families they want to have, here in the west. 
When they choose
>to
>> >> have
>> >> > >male children, they also can choose how they are raised.
>> >
>> >They seem to be favoring boys, when given a choice.  I'm good with
>> >that.
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, I appreciate the concession, Puke.
>> >>
>> >> There was no "concession", Dave Sim;
>> >
>> >Just how many Dave Sims have you found?  :)
>> >
>> >>  just the observation that women
>> >> continue to choose the types of familes THEY want.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > You used to deny that mothers were responsible for
children who
>> >> turned
>> >> > out bad.
>> >>
>> >> ????   Children who fail are the product of many social ills.
>Using
>> >> terms like "children who TURN OUT bad" are way
too simplistic for
>the
>> >> amount of societal problems that work against our nation's
>children,
>> >
>> >And yet we continue to see children from a particular set of
>> >circumstances, i.e., homes without fathers, over-represented in
>> >categories that indicate they're not doing well.
>> >
>> >
>> >> but I don't have the NEED to blame only one social group.  You do.
>> >
>> >You have a NEED to try and swing *any* responsibility away from
>women
>> >or feminism at all, in this or any other area.
>> >
>> >> You're very needy when it comes to your need to expose your
>bigotry
>> >and
>> >> sexism.
>> >
>> >I don't know, Hy--you're about as sexist and racist as they come
>here.
>> >You're just in deeper denial about it.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > But now, you appear to be acknowledging that women choose how
>their
>> >> > kids are raised.
>> >>
>> >> Western women certainly have an abundance of choices in how their
>> >> children are born and raised.  If a man isn't worthy of being a
>> >father,
>> >> no western woman is legally forced to bear the unworthy seed in
>order
>> >> to give him a son.
>> >
>> >They don't have to be legally forced--they seem to be tripping over
>> >each other to have sex with and bear the children of men who are
>> >*clearly* not good father potential.  Must be that "bad
boy" thing.
>> >
>> >>  AND, if the man is unworthy as a life partner, she
>> >> need not include such a man in her family.
>> >
>> >Need not and won't are two different things.
>> >
>> >>  Blaming women isn't at
>> >> issue here,
>> >
>> >Holding women--or perhaps more accurately, feminism--accountable for
>> >anything has never been an issue with you; you simply don't do it.
>> >
>> >> as much as the acknowledgement that she need not remain
>> >> with or have her children fathered by an unworthy man.
>> >
>> >Tons of unworthy mothers out there, too.  Unfortunately, a higher
>> >percentage of them get the kids than do unworthy fathers.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>  So kids that turn out bad turn out bad due to bad
>> >> > mothering, right?
>> >>
>> >> See above.  Men who abandon their children still abandon them,
>> >
>> >Unless they're forced away, or have their children moved away from
>> >them, and some silly asshole who can't tell the difference between
>that
>> >and abandonment decrees them to be "deadbeat dads".
>> >
>> >> and
>> >> there are all kinds of other social issues that effect children.
>> >
>> >And yet, being without a father seems to set a foundation for many
>of
>> >them.
>> >
>> >>  So,
>> >> no...we don't blame the mothers who stay for the actions of the
>> >fathers
>> >> who don't.
>> >
>> >We do if she deprived him of contact.
>> >
>> >>  And we don't blame women for being on the grassy knoll
>> >> simply because we never solved the JFK assasignation.
>> >
>> >Lee Harvey Oswald did it--it was in the papers.
>>
>>
>> Surely, you don't believe everything that you read in the newspapers.
>
>No, but that's what I get for not putting a smily face after the
>sentence.  :)
>
>>
>> Lee Harvey Oswald was the only individual to fire with intent to
>kill,
>> but JFK's head was blown off by Secret Service Agent George Warren
>> Hickey, who was riding in the follow-up vehicle, and whose AR-15
>> accidentally went off when he tried to return Oswald's fire.
>>
>>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312080743/qid=1110605809/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-5589776-5808932?v=glance&s=books
>>
>
>Shit, Now I gotta go buy another book.  I'm going to assume you read
>this, GA.


Oh yeah.  It's the bomb.  I put the book down and said, "It happened
just this way and no other way".


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