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In a msg of , Lynn Nash writes to Steve Mccrystal:
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Lynn,
 LN> The one where the person that found it was not happy with
 LN> Netscapes $1000 U.S. reward and tried to blackmail them for more.
 LN> When Netscape refused they sent it to CNN and Infoworld.
Nice - a class act, for sure!
 LN> This stuff is really getting out of control.  Java is not
 LN> bad but the implimentation abuse is already a real problem.
I agree!  I have no problem with Java, per se, but I sure don't want some 
fool writing destructive applets that run on my machine (without my 
knowledge) in ANY language.
Remember the flap over the allegation that when one signed up for MSN, the 
software sent Microsoft a listing of all the software on the user's machine?  
Quite possible with Java!  Now, suppose they decided to compare that list 
with a registration database, and the next time you log on it would delete a 
couple of files for any MS application for which the user was not registered! 
I'm NOT accusing them of doing this, but it's also quite possible using a 
Java applet. If you want to see firsthand the ammount of background activity 
that can take place, use something like Internet Explorer and Cookie Crusher 
to browse the Microsoft site for 1 half hour or so.  Cookie Crusher will beep 
and display its' dialog box with almost every mouse click!
In short, I'm looking for big things from Java, and I love the portable code 
concept.  I do not like the idea that 1) almost anyone can write applets that 
run on my machine, and 2) the majority of the user community is just not 
aware of the potential for real damage caused by these applets.
The only conclusion I can come to is one should never visit any Web site with 
Java enabled unless he/she knows who wrote/maintains the site.  In my case, 
they'd need to be a personal friend! :^)
 SM>> Closed as of yesterday, due to incessant whining. :(
 LN> Nice site in some ways but if whining destroyed things, anything
 LN> from ZD or Infoworld would have been gone long ago.  The guy was
 LN> either an idealist or too thin skinned for the job that he
 LN> undertook.
That's the reason (paraphrased) that was given.  I know I've seen a lot of 
whining about it in the newsgroups. I think the biggest objection was to the 
guy cross-posting weekly update notices to the newsgroups that rivaled the 
size of the site itself.  I, personally, didn't have a real problem with it, 
but it would bave been better to send them to the 'os2.announce' newsgroup 
(except timelag would have negated the benefits quite a bit).
 LN> I will still miss Warpcity as they provided a useful
 LN> service that no one had undertaken even it they were sometimes
 LN> wrong.
I agree, on both counts!
 LN> I am at a loss here. We must be talking about entirely different
 LN> things. As far as I was concerned we were talking about the
 LN> international version. You are making me think that there was an
 LN> international version that you were using like the English only
 LN> nsos2202.exe.  I don't seem to even be on the same wave length
 LN> with what ever it is that you are looking for. It does
 LN> seem strange that they would keep the old English only version
 LN> from december around and not keep an old International version
 LN> around. I was not aware there ever one one.
 LN> The first time that I ever saw mention of an International
 LN> version is the one that we have all been talking about, which
 LN> also replaced the English only version (nsos2202.exe).  I guess
 LN> the correct term for the International version is really
 LN> nationalized version, since there are different file names for
 LN> each national language. The EXE still seems to be the same
 LN> general size.
I'm a bit foggy here too, but I do recall seeing something about 
"International" in the readme for the version I'm looking for. Unfortunately, 
I deleted the distribution files before I backed up my system, so I can't 
even find them now. It was my understanding (altho I didn't dig into it too 
far) that the difference was the inclusion of support for numerous code pages 
in the same distribution.  In any case, the version I'm looking for is the 
one that screwed up all the fonts and made the buttons look somewhat like a 
large, backwards, uppercase, P.
 LN> I have installed the version that I and James have been talking
 LN> about on systems that never had Netscape on them and they are
 LN> working fine and seem complete; the same goes for the plugin
 LN> pack.  So at this point, it is becoming obvious to me that I have
 LN> never seen the version that you are speak of.
I think I may have locate a complete copy.  A friend of mine said he has the 
older version on his system, so I'm going to get it this weekend and have a 
look.
Actually, I have a copy of it on a complete system backup, but I do not know 
what non-Netscape related files (OS/2 system files that Netscape overwrites 
without fanfare) I must also restore to regain the functions I lost.
Thanks for the continuing dialog!  I'm learning something from every 
response, even if they don't tell me where I can find the files.  I 
appreciate it.
-[Steve]-
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