TIP: Click on subject to list as thread! ANSI
echo: evolution
to: All
from: Tim Tyler
date: 2004-10-16 21:48:00
subject: Re: the why question

Guy Hoelzer  wrote or quoted:

> I never suggested that cells, viruses, or the process of reproduction 
> were physical NECESSITIES.  I don't think that they are physical 
> necessities any more than convection, or lightening, or vortices, or 
> galaxies, or any other particular phenomena.  I do, however, think that 
> all processes (e.g., reproduction) and dissipative systems (e.g., 
> cells) are underpinned by their service to thermodynamics through
> maximization of the rate of entropy gain in the universe.  Honestly.

As I argue on:

  http://originoflife.net/bright_light/

....talking about "maximization of the rate of entropy gain in the 
universe" may not be quite correct.

It seems reasonable to think that living systems can conserve resources 
in times of scarcity - in the hope of surviving until resources become
plentiful again - and this is /not/ behaviour that would maximise the rate 
of entropy increase during the resource shortage.

If a biologically-based entropic maximand is proposed, I therefore
think that it can't simply stress short term measurements of entropy
increase - instead, it must consider long-term effects.

This is directly analogous to the situation with maximising genetic
descendants:

Genes should be expected to maximise the number of their long-term
descendants - rather than the number of their immediate offspring.
-- 
__________
 |im |yler  http://timtyler.org/  tim{at}tt1lock.org  Remove lock to reply.
---
þ RIMEGate(tm)/RGXPost V1.14 at BBSWORLD * Info{at}bbsworld.com

---
 * RIMEGate(tm)V10.2áÿ* RelayNet(tm) NNTP Gateway * MoonDog BBS
 * RgateImp.MoonDog.BBS at 10/16/04 9:48:48 PM
* Origin: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn,NY, 718 692-2498, 1:278/230 (1:278/230)
SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 5030/786
@PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267

SOURCE: echomail via fidonet.ozzmosis.com

Email questions or comments to sysop@ipingthereforeiam.com
All parts of this website painstakingly hand-crafted in the U.S.A.!
IPTIA BBS/MUD/Terminal/Game Server List, © 2025 IPTIA Consulting™.