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Anthony Cerrato wrote or quoted: > "Tim Tyler" wrote in message: > > "Artificial life" was /never/ a term confined to computer > > simulations. > > > > It has /always/ been a term that referred to man-made > > organisms - of *all* sorts. > > > > Whether the orginsms in question have been in virtual > > worlds, made from metal, plastic, silicon, fullerenes, molecular > > nanotechnology - or other material - has never been > > specified in definitions of the term. > > > > Alife 1 - back in 1987 - had Eric Drexler, Richard > > Dawkins, Hans Moravec, and A. Graham Cairns-Smith giving talks - > > those guys are *not* computer scientists. > > Dunno 'bout that. Wikpedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_life > > gives the following statement: > > "Artificial life, also known as alife, is the study of life > through the use of human-made analogs of living systems. Computer > scientist Christopher Langton coined the term in the late > 1980s when he held the first "International Conference on > the Synthesis and Simulation of Living Systems" (otherwise > known as Artificial Life I) at the Los Alamos National > Laboratory in 1987." > > Note the phrase, "...is the study of life through > the use of human-made analogs of living systems." Not a terribly brilliant definition: artificial life is not a study of anything - it is a name for the systems in question. To refer to a scientific discipline you would have to say "the study of artificial life". ....but apart from that I see no problem with the paragraph. > This jibes with my readings which have always only discussed > alife in terms of electronic or electromechanical/simulation > or analog techniques, i.e., they do not usually include real > world or lab biology/synthesis, which was what I was > speaking of. ....but they *do* include those things. They may not /usually/ do so today - for the simple reason that we can't /actually/ build most sorts of artificial living organisms today - but all forms of artificial living organisms are covered by the term. > I also note the following definition (which specifically > includes the word, "simulation,") given in: The American > Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition > Copyright ? 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. > Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. > > artificial life > n. > The simulation of biological phenomena through the use of > computer models, robotics, or biochemistry. Also called > Alife. Any definition of artificial life that claims defines artifical life as a form of simulation is *miles* off track. Artificial life need not be a simulation of anything. Part of the point of it is to create new instances of living organisms. These need not be copies of - or simulations of - existing living systems. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim{at}tt1lock.org Remove lock to reply. --- þ RIMEGate(tm)/RGXPost V1.14 at BBSWORLD * Info{at}bbsworld.com --- * RIMEGate(tm)V10.2áÿ* RelayNet(tm) NNTP Gateway * MoonDog BBS * RgateImp.MoonDog.BBS at 10/5/04 6:29:12 AM* Origin: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn,NY, 718 692-2498, 1:278/230 (1:278/230) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 @PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267 |
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