To: 
Cc: "Broc Olson" 
From: "Broc Olson" 
Reply-To: trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com

Why Not?  Volcanoes exist and erupt underwater. They get plenty hot enough
for the purposes of smelting metals. If they're smart enough to notice
that, they could channel the lava flow to somewhere else and use it that
way.  Underwater intellects would have an easier time of comming up with
the concept of fire. Learning how to manipulate it is just part of the
process.

Broc Olson 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Stahl" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [trekcreative] Squids and Monkeys


> Jay P Hailey wrote:
>
> >I'm calling a big "yes" to that one.
> >
> >
>
> We don't get to see many technological water breathers.  Living in water
> is a barrier to technology as we understand it.  What was the Human
> rise?  Fire, led to metal, led to all sorts of things.  How would a
> water born species develop a technology?  What would it look like?
>
> Things you can't do under water:
> A)  Light a Fire  This keeps you from
>     1)  Smelting metals
>     2)  Making ceramics
>     3)  Using many means of processing and preserving food
> B)  Easily isolate a chemical reaction which means you cannot
>     1)  Make dyes
>     2)  Make many drugs.
>     3)  Produce plastics.
>
> So we have a species with a brain, and they can't make the tools we are
> familiar with.  They could pressure nap flint.   I suppose sea grasses
> could be woven into baskets.
>
> Would or could this species ever get past the early neolithic in its
> technology?
>
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