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from: John Fraser
date: 2007-03-23 17:32:26
subject: Re: Which is the True God?

From: "John Fraser" 

    Where do you think Mohammed got his inspiration from?  It was from the
Jews and the Christians.

Cheers,
John


"arah"  wrote in message
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> Which is the True God?
>
> The Christians very often bring up arguments and say that God of the
> bible is merciful where as Allah (SWT) is punishes people. And they
> even go on to quote certain verses and say that Allah is not True God.
> Here we'll discuss which of the following is actually the  True
> Almighty God.
>
> Qualities ill-befitting God in the Bible.
> A. Barber God :
>
> The bible says
>
> " In the same day shall the Lord shave with a rasor that is hired,
> namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head,
> and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the
> beard." (Isaiah 7:20)
>
> Is this what God does?? He is going to shave people's legs,beard and
> head with the hired razor. He hasn't even got one of his own. Is this
> the work of God?
>
>
>
> B. A hissing God:
>
>
>
> " And he will lift up an ensign to the nations from far, and will hiss
> unto them from the end of the earth: and, behold, they shall come with
> speed swiftly:" (Isaiah 5:26)
>
>
>
> "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for
> the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for
> the bee that is in the land of Assyria." (Isaiah 7:18)
>
>
>
> Is this what God does?? That he is going to hiss like a snake
>
>
>
> C. Roaring God.
>
>
>
> "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy
> like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against
> his enemies." (Isaiah 42:13)
>
>
>
> "They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he
> shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west." (Hosea
> 11:10)
>
>
>
> D. Not Omnipotent.
>
>
>
> "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the
> mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley,
> because they had chariots of iron." (Judges 1:19)
>
>
>
> Whereas the same bible tells us that God is Omnipotent.
>
>
>
> "...but with God all things are possible."  (Mathew 19:26)
>
>
> One can see clear contradictions in the qualities of God in the man-
> altered bible.
>
>
>
> E. God rested on the seventh day
>
>
>
> "It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in
> six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he
> rested, and was refreshed." (Exodus 31:17)
>
>
>
> "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he
> rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had
> made." (Genesis 2:2)
>
>
>
> " For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all
> that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD
> blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:11)
>
>
>
> Sabbath is a standing insult to God in the bible because according to
> it God rested on this day. Therefore Christians and Jews are commanded
> to rest on this day.
>
>
>
> "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
>
> 10. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou
> shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy
> manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that
> is within thy gates:" (Exodus 20:9-10)
>
>
>
> And anyone who works on Sabbath day is to be put to death.
>
>
>
> "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every
> one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth
> any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his
> people." (Exodus 31:14)
>
>
>
> Now lets read the Quran and see the divine qualities of God.
>
>
>
> "...Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting,
> Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep." (Quran 2:255)
>
>
>
> The Quran says
>
>
>
> "We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six
> Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us." (Quran 50:38)
>
>
>
> Decide for yourself which God is the True one.
>
>
>
> F. Smoke Came out of God's nostrils and devouring fire from his mouth.
>
>
>
> "There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth
> devoured: coals were kindled by it." (II Samuel 22:9)
>
>
>
>
>
> What a blasphemy!!
>
>
>
> G. God riding a cherub.
>
>
>
> "Cherub" means
>
>
>
> 1.         a celestial being. Gen. 3:24; Ezek. 1, 10.
>
> 2.         Theology. a member of the second order of angels, often
> represented as a beautiful rosy-cheeked child with wings.
>
> 3.         a beautiful or innocent person, esp. a child.
>
> 4.         a person, esp. a child, with a sweet, chubby, innocent
> face.
>
>
>
> These are the meanings I got from
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cherub
>
>
>
> The Biblical God rides it.
>
>
>
> "And he(God) rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the
> wings of the wind." (II Samuel 22:11)
>
>
>
> God is riding upon a cherub. God is flying in the air. Is this the
> quality of God??
>
>
>
> Note : I have put that word "God" in brackets.
>
>
>
> Read also Psalms 18:8 onwards
>
>
>
> H. Does God repent??
>
>
>
> "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
> grieved him at his heart." (Genesis 6:6)
>
>
> This does not befit God at all. Its human quality to repent. God is
> All-Knowing and Omnicient. He does not repent.
>
>
>
> I. God Wrestles with man
>
>
>
> "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for
> as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast
> prevailed."(Genesis 32:28)
>
>
> God wrestles with man and man prevails. If Christians want to worship
> a man they should worship such a man who prevails over God instead of
> worshipping Jesus who considers himself  powerless.
>
>
>
> "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my
> judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of
> the Father which hath sent me." (John 5:30)
>
>
>
> J. God - Like an alcoholic.
>
>
>
> "Then the Lord awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that
> shouteth by reason of wine." (Psalms 78:65)
>
>
>
> K. God corrupts people and spreads dung upon their faces.
>
>
>
> "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces,
> even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with
> it." (Malachi 2:3)
>
>
>
> Does God do such things. Does he corrupt his own creation and spread
> dung (excreta) on their faces??
>
>
>
> l. God - The Deciever.
>
>
>
> "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
> I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)
>
>
>
> "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
> should believe a lie:" (2 Thessalonian 2:11)
>
>
>
> The Christians very often quote this verse from the Quran and say that
> God is a deceiver.
>
>
>
> "And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned,
> and the best of planners is Allah." (Quran 3:54)
>
>
>
> The above verse doesn't prove at all that God is a deciever. This
> verse only says that people plan against Allah and Allah too plans and
> he prevails. This verse doesn't by any means show that God is a
> deceiver. Unlike the bible where God says "I will corrupt your
> seed..." (Malachi 2:3) Read point k.
>
>
>
> Jeremiah the Prophet of God cries that he was decieved by God.
>
>
>
> "O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger
> than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh
> me." (Jeremiah 20:7)
>
>
>
> The same bible tells us that God is not the author of confusion.
>
>
>
> "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace,.." (1
> Corinthians 14:33)
>
>
>
> One can see the contradictory qualities of God in the bible.
>
>
>
> M. God commands his Prophet to walk naked.
>
>
>
> "At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go
> and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from
> thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.
>
> [3] And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and
> barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon
> Ethiopia;" (Isaiah 20:2-3)
>
>
>
> Imagine Isaiah one of the mightiest of the Biblical Prophets walks
> absolutely naked and barefoot for 3 years on the commandment of God. A
> Prophet of God Walking down the streets, in front of women and
> children absolutely naked for 3 long years not even wearing a G-
> string. Imagine if a Pope goes around naked preaching the message of
> God. Huh ! Is this the quality of God that he commands people to do
> such things. The Glorious Quran says
>
>
>
> "Say: "Nay, Allah never commands what is shameful: do ye say of Allah
> what ye know not?"" (Quran 7:28)
>
>
>
> God doesn't command people to do such shameful deeds.
>
>
>
> N. Is Biblical God Merciful??
>
>
>
> The Christians always come up and say that Allah (SWT) is not Merciful
> because he punishes people and Biblical God is merciful. Lets analyse
> with few examples below if he is really Merciful. The bible says
>
>
>
> "And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into
> the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and
> threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had
> smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." (I Samuel 6:19)
>
>
>
> God Almighty punished 50,070 for merely looking into an ark.
>
>
>
> Note : The newer version of the Bible like NIV etc have shamelessly
> reduced the number to 70 only !!
>
>
>
> "[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
>
> [4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
> of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath,
> or that is in the  water under the earth:
>
> [5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I
> the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the
> fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them
> that hate me;" (Exodus 20:3-5)
>
>
>
> God is not only going to punish people who join gods with him but he
> is also going to punish people till their third and fourth
> generation.
>
>
>
> Note : Christians are included in this. Because they say Jesus IS God
> and Holy Spirit IS God.
>
>
>
> The Bible says
>
>
>
> "And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will
> punish you seven times more for your sins." (Leviticus 26:18)
>
>
>
> "And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will
> bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your
> sins." (Leviticus 26:21)
>
>
>
> "And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk
> contrary unto me; [24] Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and
> will punish you yet seven times for your sins." (Leviticus 26:23-24)
>
>
>
> In the above verses we can see that God doesn't even gets satisfied
> with one for one. He is going to punish people seven times more for
> their sins. Whereas the Quran says.
>
>
>
> "He that doeth good shall have ten times as much to his credit: He
> that doeth evil shall only be recompensed according to his evil: no
> wrong shall be done unto (any of) them." (Quran 6:160)
>
>
>
> "If any does good, the reward to him is better than his deed; but if
> any does evil, the doers of evil are only punished (to the extent) of
> their deeds." (Quran 28:84)
>
>
>
> O. God's Lips ,tongue and Breath
>
>
>
> "27 See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar, with burning anger and
> dense clouds of smoke; his lips are full of wrath, and his tongue is a
> consuming fire.
>
> 28 His breath is like a rushing torrent rising up to the neck.He
> shakes the nations in the sieve of destruction he places in the jaws
> of the peoples a bit that leads them astray. " (Isaiah 30:27-28)
>
>
>
> Alhumdulillah(All praises are due to Allah Alone) this is the quality
> of God. This is his mercy that he multiplies the good deeds and punish
> the sins only to their extent whereas biblical God punishes people
> seven times more and he punishes them till their third and fourth
> generation.
>
>
>
> Divine Attributes of God in the Quran.
>
>
>
> In the Quran there are about 99 attributes of Allah (SWT). I'll just
> quote 3 verses which mention about 15 of his divine attributes
> attributes.
>
>
>
> "22. Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all
> things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
>
>
>
> 23. Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the
> Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith,
> the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the
> Supreme: Glory to Allah. (High is He) above the partners they
> attribute to Him.
>
>
>
> 24. He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or
> Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the
> heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is
> the Exalted in Might, the Wise. "
>
>
>
> Can anyone bring anything comparable to this? !!
>
>
> So please decide for yourself which God is True and which Scripture is
> True.
>

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