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Perplexed in Peoria wrote or quoted: > There are basically three possibilities: > (1). If genetics arose early and easily, as in the theory of Cairns-Smith, > then no new principles are needed. Just some clever ideas, most of which > Cairns-Smith has already provided. Personally, though, I find this idea > unconvincing. > (2). There may have been some not-yet-appreciated self-organization principle > at work. Perhaps it was based on non-equilibrium thermodynamics as the > Brussels school proclaims. Or perhaps it is based on complex systems > theory as Stuart Kauffman seems to think. Again, I am unconvinced. > (3). Or perhaps there is no over-arching principle to explain the apparent > "progress". Perhaps life arose "by accident" or as a result of a series of > accidents. This idea is unsatisfying to the scientifically inclined, but, > IMHO, it is probably correct. (Yes, Mr. Hendricks, I know you disagree.) How can one distinguish the hypothesis that there's a "pressure" that drove the OOL from the hypothesis that it was an accident? The only way I can think of is to ask how probable the OOL was - and if it was a difficult, or rare process, the origin deserves to be described as accidental. One experimental data point bears fairly directly on the issue: the early origin of life. The early origin of life on the planet suggests life forms pretty easily - at least if you accept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediocrity_principle On the other hand, the absence of extraterrestrials - and the lack of obvious signs of life on nearby planets are data-points that suggest that life may not be /that/ common elsewhere. I favour the idea that the OOL was rather easy, and that the universe is rather full of life. Consequently, describing life as "accidental" doesn't strike me as appropriate. I favour the second option - that the laws of physics naturally promote the formation of complex systems - which tend to culminate in living systems after a bit of complexification has gone on. This notion is rather in constrast with the ideas of Cairns-Smith - who rejected the whole notion of pre-biotic evolution, claiming that chemical evolution was impossible without some sort of heredity. While he's right there, complex systems *do* preserve and transmit information over time - and that counts as a sort of heredity. As simple examples, whirlpools remember which way around they are rotating - and streams remember the path along which they are flowing. While in such systems there's no reproduction, something like a river system can come to consist of a large, complex object which preserves and transmits a large volume of information about where it is flowing over an extended period of time. There's even something akin to natural selection going on - in that some streams can invade and displace other ones. There are other types of self-organising system - and at least one of them produced such a complex object with such a large volume of stored information that the result qualified as an ecosystem. > But regardless of what "drove" the origin of life, we still have to work out > the path that was followed. And until we have a theory that describes that > path in detail, and draws on supporting evidence ("molecular fossils") in > present-day life, then no one's opinion is going to convince anybody. Looking for molecular fossils is likely to be hopeless - the path backwards seems likely to get pretty muddy much beyond RNA - and is unlikely to lead anywhere near as far back as life's origin. IMO, the only approach that is likely to convince anyone is a synthetic one - we should create living systems from plausible inorganic components - and then explore the most plausible synthesis routes. > The origin is a tough problem, and an unsolved problem. Francis Crick, a > fairly militant atheist, is quoted to the effect that the problems with a > mechanistic origin are so great that an honest man would have to say that > it would almost require a miracle. I think that is still true today. But > I expect that the problem will be solved sometime during this century. I too expect that the problem will be solved sometime during this century. Actually, I think the problem was solved before I was born - way back in the 1960s - but this century there's fairly likely to arise a consensus about how life started that is shared by most scientists. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim{at}tt1lock.org Remove lock to reply. --- þ RIMEGate(tm)/RGXPost V1.14 at BBSWORLD * Info{at}bbsworld.com --- * RIMEGate(tm)V10.2áÿ* RelayNet(tm) NNTP Gateway * MoonDog BBS * RgateImp.MoonDog.BBS at 12/16/04 10:33:46 PM* Origin: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn,NY, 718 692-2498, 1:278/230 (1:278/230) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 5030/786 @PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267 |
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