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to: Rich Gauszka
from: Gary Britt
date: 2007-03-10 15:20:08
subject: Re: Justice Dept.: FBI misused Patriot Act

From: Gary Britt 

That doesn't identify whether he just talking about a mere failure to
report in an otherwise proper use or if he's talking about an improper use
itself (probably the latter).

Gary

Rich Gauszka wrote:
> Such a technicality that Gonzales left open the possibility of criminal
> charges?
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6470855,00.html
>
> Attorney General Alberto Gonzales left open the possibility of pursuing
> criminal charges against FBI agents or lawyers who improperly used the
> USA Patriot Act in pursuit of suspected terrorists and spies.
>
> Gary Britt wrote:
>> Only technically.  If the only thing wrong with a particular use of a
>> national security letter was the failure to report.  That's a problem,
>> but not a major one.  On the other hand the use of national security
>> letter when it was not proper to use that procedure at all, and
>> thereby avoiding other liberty interest safeguards are a more
>> troubling violation.  If those more troubling violations were knowing
>> and deliberate people should be fired.  If they were do to confusion
>> and lack of training then that problem should be corrected immediately.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Geo. wrote:
>>> Correct usage requires REQUIRES reporting. Therefore by definition
>>> unreported uses are incorrect usage.
>>>
>>> Geo.
>>>
>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>> news:45f2daa6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>  Not dollars but yen maybe.  The failure to
report number is not
>>>> the same thing as the number of incorrect uses of the national
>>>> security letters.  The report also said national security letters
>>>> are a vital tool in protecting the country.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> Geo. wrote:
>>>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>> news:45f1a243{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> This quote below says a few agents were a bit slip
shod in their
>>>>>> work. That it isn't something ordered by Karl
Rove, and its the
>>>>>> Bush whitehouse's justice department that is
finding, correcting,
>>>>>> and reporting these slip shod couple of events.
>>>>>
>>>>> couple of events?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the entire three-year period, the audit
found the FBI issued
>>>>>>> 143,074 national security letters
>>>>>>> In 2005, the FBI told Congress that its agents
in 2003 and 2004
>>>>>>> had delivered only 9,254 national security letters
>>>>>
>>>>> so now 133,820 is a couple? Could you spare a couple dollars?
>>>>>
>>>>> Geo.
>>>

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