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John Beamish wrote:
> Disagree.  Nothing happened on 9-11 that hadn't happened before.

Sort of. The US had not been subject to an external terrorist attack (let
alone on that scale) before.

> The
> scale was marginally larger but, still, nothing happened that hadn't
> happened before.
>

Yeah but dead 3'rd worlders haven't counted in the past....so why should they now?

What's different is that now we're getting a properly globalized economic
system & the law follows the money.


> The reaction, however, may seem to have been disproportionate but even
> that, too, was nothing new.  TPTB have always wanted to exert greater
> control and tracking of the populaces.

Indeed they have. Most officials in most countries have always viewed
freedom of the individual as only necessary if the alternative is social
unrest etc. i.e. all freedoms were fought for & have to continue to be
fought for because frankly they are pesky & hampering to those in
power.

> This was simply another excuse
> (no different from the imposition of the War Measures Act in Canada
> after two kidnappings and before the murder of a government minister who
> had ties to organized crime).
>

Oh indeed except that this was a "global threat requiring a global
response" which is usually a code phrase for internationalizing an
issue...i.e. "Obviously if it was just us we'd not introduce these
measures but...with th world being the way it is.....& our allies,
friends & partners....." etc

e.g. all the "biometric" passports etc.


> The Ministry of Peace, war with Eurasia/Oceania ... there's nothing new
> here.


Indeed not. Babylonians probably had these arguments.

"Those dam freedom for Ur terrorists...."

However that only extended as far as the fertile crescent. Now there is
really nowhere you could go to be free.

> Santayana is correct --  and those who want
> democratic-totalitarian control over the others haven't learned that
> theirs is a stuggle doomed to failure probably because they aren't the
> ones paying the cost.
>

Chuckle.

Things change. The ease & prevalence of surveillance & esp linked
databases is steadily changing the dynamics.

these things:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070308-124323-4382r.htm

Are both becoming common & are being linked. Initially it's (surprise
surprise) to "address a global problem" i.e.
immigration/migration & it's concomitant factors such as "people
smuggling" etc.

Very neat as while traveling apparently no one has any rights & so this
can be "trialled" on "those in motion".


Adam

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