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JF>   So when they claim 'tenderness' works on these dedicated and hardened
JF>   combatants, terrorists, etc, you don't know for sure either. 
JF>   From that point on the issues is debated.

RS>   Face it John, you're a sadistic torture-happy person.

EC>   There is only one person in this echo who has openly 
EC>   advocated torture (and, in a different post, advocated 
EC>   that a particular individual ought to be raped), and 
EC>   it isn't John.

   Same old cycle..  When some individuals can't debate the various
points, they go emotional and all the partisan piss and vinegar they've
been fed for so many years comes flushing to the surface.



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