From: "Rich Gauszka" 


"Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
field.near the bridge"> wrote in message
news:45f9c512$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Rich Gauszka wrote:
>> "Phil Payne" 
wrote in message
>> news:45f98fea{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> and being that blase gets a Brazilian shot?  Sounds good,
stiff upper
>>>> lip
>>>> and all, but it is more myth then fact.
>>> I'm REALLY getting pissed off with the hypocrisy of this.
>>>
>>> It's news simply because the British police - in general - don't shoot
>>> anybody, let alone innocent people.
>>>
>>> Of course, it's routine in the USA.  So routine, indeed, that it doesn't
>>> even make the news.
>>>
>>> How many unarmed people have been shot dead by police in New York alone
>>> so
>>> far his year?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Talk about hypocracy - how about reporting the crimes ?
>>
>> http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2006/04/crime-in-uk-london-vs-new-york.html
>>
>> In 2002 a study found that 11 million crimes had been left out of British
>> government figures, including hundreds of thousands of serious crimes
>> involving woundings, robberies, assaults and even murders as well as
>> thefts.
>> Dr. David Green of the Civitas research institute said: "When you check
>> the
>> small print, it turns out the Home Office itself thinks that there were
>> far
>> more than the 13 million crimes discovered by the [official] British
>> Crime
>> Survey, perhaps four times as many." Dr Green said the Office
of National
>> Statistics was subject to political interference and a genuinely
>> independent
>> statistical service was needed.
>>  Civitas said previously that the rise in British crime-rates was "so
>> spectacular" that it was "difficult to comprehend."
Britain was "a
>> seriously
>> crime-infected and disintegrating society." Burglaries had
increased from
>> 72,000 in 1964 to 402,000 in 2004. Robberies of personal property had
>> risen
>> from 3,000 in 1964 to 101,000 in 2003-04. The report added: "England,
>> from
>> being a society remarkably free of crime and disorder, especially from
>> the
>> middle of the 19th to the middle of the 20th century, by the late 1990's
>> had
>> a worse record than France, Germany or the United States."
>>
>>
>
> ROFL. ...ummmmm...OK....where should I start in pulling this little
> canard apart....oh OK then how about ""England, from being a society
> remarkably free of crime and disorder, especially from the  middle of
> the 19th to the middle of the 20th century"
>
> Much worse crime detection & recording? Odd how people used to have to
> carry Sword sticks etc & one simply didn't go into the east end of
> London (unless one was Jack the Ripper...)
>
> Of course the real figures are always going to be higher. They are
> everywhere because frankly most crimes go unreported & that occurs
> everywhere. In "the old days" it was pointless reporting most crimes
> except if one wanted to claim insurance as the clear up rates (again all
> round the world) were very low.
>
> Gee so what are the real rates in the US, France etc & let's thus
> compare them.
>
> So do you really believe figures in the US are "real"?
>
> Adam


FWIW I'm not arguing that we have a lesser murder rate - just that your
society isn't as peaceful and crime free as Phil espouses

Also the British rates seem to be a result of a 'don't ask - don't get' mentality

http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/crimeFiguresMain.php

the same can be said of the 2004/05 figures. The true figure is well over
35 million, as we show below.

Why the huge disparity? Has there been a cover-up? Is any of this found
only in a secret report? No, there is no secret report to be found. And, if
you ask Home Office officials to confirm the higher figures they do so
promptly. It's partly a case of 'If you don't ask, you don't get'. And
until members of the public do ask - and keep on asking - the Government
has every intention of pretending that the crime problem is under control.
No objective observer would say that the British Crime Survey is
comprehensive when it misses out murder, sexual offences, crimes against
people under 16, illegal drug use and crimes against commercial premises,
including thefts of trucks, vans and shoplifting. And no independent
statistician would claim that the British Crime Survey was the 'most
accurate' measure of crime.

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Trying to find comparative crime rates by country is a bit like the search
for the Holy Grail. Does anyone believe Pakistan has the lowest homicide
rate this century?

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-countries-by-homicide-rate#wp-2000s

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