>  -=> Quoting Jack Sargeant to Fred Austin <=-
 >>  -=> Quoting Jack Sargeant to David Bloomberg <=-
 >     Hi Jack,
 >  JS> Can you cite some examples of people in UFOlogy who make this claim?
 >     Are  you  asking  for  people would  would stake  their lives and
 > reputation on it?  Not sure if  they would  do that,  maybe,maybe some
 > have, I will post some quotes, and yes the word  "alien" is  not used,
 > but the  meaning is  I think  clear enough.   So let  us not begin to
 > debate the use of language at least...... :)
 >> You certainly are pulling an about face.
 >  JS> How so?
 >     Over the past couple of years your stance has been,  because
 > of  a personal experience, you are more pro. Pro as in this is not a
 > natural phenomenon, nor is it something of this Earth.  Now you state that
 >  it is fun to speculate, thereby, you  now are  obviously second
 > guessing yourself.  You now offer up the possibility that perhaps what you
 > saw, is explainable.  And yet I do remember a post a while back, where
 > I do believe you stated that "you know what you saw" and  it certainly
 > was enough  to  convince  you  of  the  legitimacy of this phenomenon.
 > Basically, "Seeing Is Believing".
You are just searching for words that are not there, nor have been
spoken.
 >  JS> At no time have I ever claimed my UFO was an alien craft. As to your
 >  JS> suggesting I am doing an about face, that just isn't so.
 >  Therefore how do you interpret what you saw?  I do  not have your
 > old posts so I will not hold you to it.  Only you know what you saw
 > back in the 50's. If you now can match that up with a known
 > phenomenon, that is no problem. I have no problem with that. If you
 > now say, perhaps it was not a craft etc, perhaps a trick of the eye,
 > or balloon that's fine with me.  I prefer people to be
 > straightforward and honest.
You don't like it when I play devil's advocate, do you?  
Sorry, but if my fun appears to be at your expense, then I guess I have
to step in and say no harm was intended.
 >  JS> I believe in UFOs. I believe some UFOs may be of an alien origin.
 >  JS> I have no evidence to either back up this belief, or dispel it.
 >  JS> I do a lot of speculating, and I use all the proper disclaimers
 >     Disclaimers, now you sound like a marketing firm  Jack.  Well, we
 > all speculate as to purpose, what  is genuine,  what is  hoax, and of
 > course  from  where  etc  etc..   You  and I  both know  that the UFO
 > community has no physical, undeniable proof.  Only circumstantial.
 > But we  certainly  have a  lot of  circumstantial.  Piles  of data.
 > But I understand where you are coming from.
Well then, stop complaining! I have the skeptic community to contend
with whenever I forget to announce my intentions.
 >  JS> when doing so. Although I am very sympathetic to the cause, I am
 >  JS> quick to caution anyone I perceive to be overly influenced by the
 >  JS> subject that there is no proof that UFOs are from an alien world.
 >   Well, we are splitting hairs here. If these sightings are exhibiting
 > physical characteristics of controlled flight, are not Soviet, Chinese,
 > American, Canadian etc, then who do they belong to.
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You should know me well enough by now that I am sympathetic to the cause,
but how much can I assume from a sighting I had years ago? The word
alien is too much of a leap for me to make.
js
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