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Hello Bob - 

RBS>>> Charles and I have crossed paths many times over the
RBS>>> years. 

>> Yes, I was here when you still collected the SNIPPETS from
>> other programmers. 

BS> You conveniently forget that I wrote about 35% of the
BS> collection. 

I don't accept that you wrote 35% but even if I did YOU are
ignoring that the other 65% isn't your code nor is the other
15meg of code only Bob gets to use because Bob is on his last
"hurrah"s as a programmer. 

BS> What I've published is still only the tip of the iceberg -
BS> at last reckoning, I have some 15 additional Mbytes
BS> archived awaiting publication. Again, much of it my own. 

I'm not surprised that you keep it to yourself and use it for
your work. I remember you mentioned that to Roy. That's what
you are Bob. 

RBS>>> If you reread some of our exchanges, it quickly becomes
RBS>>> obvious that he considers me an arrogant a**hole and I
RBS>>> consider him a belligerent fool. 

>> Don't put words in my mouth. I consider you to be just what
>> you are, an opportunist - and thanks for the comment about
>> me. It makes it easier to disagree with you. 

BS> Actually, "belligerent" was the wrong word - I should have
BS> simply said "argumentative". 

I'm not a fan, no. Hard for you to imagine? 

BS> I feel obliged to point out that I'm hardly only person
BS> who's collected and published free source code. By your
BS> definition, the FSF and Linus Torvald are also opportunists. 

I consider RedHat and Stallman to be opportunists, yes.
Torvalds doesn't seem to profit a great deal from Linux so no -
Torvalds is definitely not an opportunist (nor Tannenbaum who
did MINIX). 

BS> The main difference between me and them is that I make sure
BS> that the source I publish is *totally* free of any legal
BS> encumbrances - which even includes the Gnu GPL. 

You couldn't GPL it and brag about using it at work. You
would've cut your own throat because all the code you were paid
to write would have to be made available to everyone for free
if it included GPL'd code. Cute of you to try and make it sound
the other way round though. ;-) 

BS> Between this statement and the one about my collecting
BS> SNIPPETS from other programmer, you seem to be implying
BS> that I have done something somehow unethical. Since every
BS> SNIPPETS author is acknowledged, and since it is a free
BS> collection of free source code, your implicit cynicism
BS> lacks credibility. 

I will not credit you for other people's efforts. No one thinks
a librarian is a genius because the library has a few great
books. You Bob, are a librarian. I'm also thinking of the 15
meg of code you keep to for yourself to use at your work and
I'd wager you get paid for that? The unpublished 15meg
Bob-only-collection is what you really are Bob. 

BS> If I sold the code, or plagiarized it and put my name on
BS> other people's work, I'd deserve your attack. As it is, all
BS> you're doing is exposing your own mean-spirited agenda. 

You do "sell the code" Bob. You told Roy you've been using it
all along for your work. Reread your own messages. 

The only "attack" here is you and your supplicants whining
because I said "American author" instead of "Canadian" or
"within Amazons agreed upon sales territory". You are the worst
kind of coward that draws first blood then cries "victim" when
you get some of it back at you. 

>> I wasn't sniping, I was offering what I perceive as good
>> advice. You came here apparently dead-ended and I offered
>> suggestions as to how to rethink your approach and continue
>> moving forward. You have tunnel vision (as usual). 

BS> The problem is solved for this client. Rather than generate
BS> a large formal document, we agreed to enforce coding style
BS> rules using C-Clearly. All I then had to do was create the
BS> standard template to configure it, and that part of the job
BS> was done with no more effort that what I would have spent
BS> writing a formal document using the Straker book. 

As soon as your position becomes indefensible you snake out
from under it to a new and different position. I really doubt
this is an acceptable solution for this company. It is nothing
at all similar to what you described in this echo that the
company had asked you to produce. I think you are making up
stories to avoid responding to the fact that my suggestions
were logical based on your earlier statements that Amazon in
the UK and Germany would not sell here in the USA to an
American address. THAT is the prejudice not my suggesting an
alternative. 

>> The "belligerent fool" comment certainly does justify my
>> perceptions of you, yes. 

BS> Since when did you feel the need of justification for your
BS> vitriol? 

I didn't say I needed anything from you and I certainly would
like you to know that I feel sorry for anyone or any company
that does need anything from you. 

>> No, everyone who was here and got to know you well enough
>> also left this echo because of you. 

BS> Charles, I served some 3 terms as moderator at a time when
BS> the C_Echo had it's highest membership. 

As an opportunist being here any other time wouldn't have fed
your collection of other people's code. As soon as the code
dried up so did Bob. 

BS> I still maintain cordial relationships with many of the
BS> old-timers here. Whatever else I may or may not have done,
BS> I have the satisfaction of having helped teach an entire
BS> generation of C programmers and providing them with a few
BS> megabytes of free source code to crib and learn from. 

Grandiose notions about your role in the universe. Manic
attack? You haven't been here Bob. You didn't teach anyone
anything other than to mistrust people in a position of
authority. 

BS> What have you done equally constructive? 

Try viewing the URL at the bottom of my messages Bob. 

>> You obviously feel the need to apologize for being an
>> American, I don't. 

BS> "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." - Samuel
BS> Johnson. As with the lady with the Dixie Chicks, there are
BS> certain individual Americans I'd be ashamed to be compared
BS> with - you for example. Still, my wife is from Michigan so
BS> I know there are good people up there. 

Dixie Chicks? Is there no cheap spin doctoring you won't stoop
to? 

>> With Americans like you we don't really need the French
>> anymore. 

BS> OK, were those the words I wasn't supposed to be putting in
BS> your mouth? ;-) 

RBS>>> Actually, I was reporting what the company purchasing
RBS>>> lady told me. It turns out that the reason she couldn't
RBS>>> buy it from Amazon UK or Amazon Germany is that they
RBS>>> were out of stock as well. :-( 

>> I based my replies to you on what you had posted here. If
>> you mislead all of us who is to blame for that? 

BS> Reading some of the other posts in this thread, you seem to
BS> be the only only who didn't understand and felt in any way
BS> "misled". 

Read your own words Bob. After all this fuss about you needing
an unavailable book you NOW say you were confused by this
"purchasing lady". Give me a break. You slither out from under
every stupid thing you say then argue with ME about it. 

BS> So which is it - are you dumb or simply nasty? 

Bob your wonderful personality is showing beneath your skirt. 

>> A three page document that refers to a nonexistent book is a
>> flyer or 'infomercial' for the book. 

BS> Well it was enough to win ISO-9000 certification for the
BS> software department standards at three divisions of Baker
BS> Hughes. Of course, then, the book was available and I
BS> bought one for every programmer in all three divisions. It
BS> was quick, educational, and effective. Small wonder that I
BS> would have preferred to have been able to do the same thing
BS> this time. 

The real wonder is Bob coming here to brag once every other
year then vanishing into the mist till he has more to brag
about. Crawl back into oblivion where you belong. 

RBS>>> If the book isn't available, [...] 

RBS>>> If the book is available, [...] 

>> YOU came here saying the book wasn't available and now you
>> say it is and give me a lecture about how much it will help.
>> I think you are confused or just looking for people to annoy. 

BS> How can you program if you don't understand the meaning of
BS> the word "if"? If I were simply tying to be annoying, I'd
BS> learn from the Michigan master. 

No need to learn anything Bob, you are peaking. 

>> I worked as a PC consultant for 8 years... 

BS> Ah, a "PC consultant" - that explains a lot... 

What a stupid thing to say. 

>> ...and I didn't constantly refer to books the company did
>> not have. 

BS> Neither did I. If the book had been available, I would've
BS> used it. That's why I came here asking about it. Since it
BS> wasn't, I came up with alternate plan B which took just as
BS> little time - problem solved. 

Either way Bob uses other people's work and takes credit for
the results (or gets paid for the results). 

>>>> You have a real problem with this don't you. 

RBS>>> > Well, someone does, and I don't think it's him. 

>> You removed what I was replying to, it was the second time
>> being American was brought into question in the same message
>> by the same person. Crawl around apologizing for being
>> American if you think it makes you more 'continental' but I
>> think it makes you just what you are, an opportunist. 

BS> I don't apologize for being an American citizen, but
BS> neither do I feel compelled to wrap myself in a flag to
BS> feel superior. Anyway, thanks for this last outburst - it
BS> fully exposes the chauvinism that was noted in the other
BS> message. 

Wrap myself in a flag because I won't avoid using the term
"American"? Bob you are a coward. 

BS> Sorry Charles, this message only reinforces my conviction
BS> that you are both "belligerent/argumentative" and a
"fool". 

And you are the same egomaniacal blowhard that you have always
been. 

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