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    Hi Jack,
 JS> Can you cite some examples of people in UFOlogy who make this claim?
    Are  you  asking  for  people would  would stake  their lives  and 
reputation on it?  Not sure if  they would  do that,  maybe,maybe some 
have, I will post some quotes, and yes the word  "alien" is  not used, 
but the  meaning is  I think  clear enough.   So let  us not  begin to 
debate the use of language at least...... :)
 > You certainly are pulling an about face.
 JS> How so?
    Over the past couple of years your stance has been,  because of  a 
personal experience, you are more pro. Pro as in this is not a natural 
phenomenon, nor is it something of this Earth.  Now you state that  it 
is fun to speculate, thereby, you  now are  obviously second  guessing 
yourself.  You now offer up the possibility that perhaps what you saw, 
is explainable.  And yet I do remember a post a while back, where I do 
believe you stated that "you know what you saw" and  it certainly  was 
enough  to  convince  you  of  the  legitimacy  of   this  phenomenon.  
Basically, "Seeing Is Believing".
 JS> At no time have I ever claimed my UFO was an alien craft. As to your
 JS> suggesting I am doing an about face, that just isn't so.
    Therefore how do you interpret what you saw?  I do  not have  your 
old posts so I will not hold you to it.  Only  you know  what you  saw 
back  in  the  50's.   If  you  now  can  match that  up with  a known 
phenomenon, that is no problem. I have no problem with  that.  If  you 
now say, perhaps it was not a craft etc, perhaps a trick  of the  eye, 
or balloon that's fine with me.  I prefer people to be straightforward 
and honest.  
 JS> I believe in UFOs. I believe some UFOs may be of an alien origin.
 JS> I have no evidence to either back up this belief, or dispel it.
 JS> I do a lot of speculating, and I use all the proper disclaimers
    Disclaimers, now you sound like a marketing firm  Jack.  Well,  we 
all speculate as to purpose, what  is genuine,  what is  hoax, and  of 
course  from  where  etc  etc..   You  and I  both know  that the  UFO 
community has no physical, undeniable proof.  Only circumstantial. But 
we  certainly  have a  lot of  circumstantial.  Piles  of data.  But I 
understand where you are coming from.  
 JS> when doing so. Although I am very sympathetic to the cause, I am
 JS> quick to caution anyone I perceive to be overly influenced by the
 JS> subject that there is no proof that UFOs are from an alien world.
    Well,  we  are  splitting  hairs  here.   If  these  sightings are 
exhibiting  physical  characteristics  of  controlled flight,  are not 
Soviet, Chinese, American, Canadian etc, then who do they belong to.
To say well, we have no proof they  are alien,  is beginning  to sound 
odd.  You put forth the idea well no one claims it is  alien craft  or 
aliens etc, I put forth this:  If everyone  thought the  UFO phenomena 
had nothing to do with aliens, who the hell would be interested in it.
Certainly not the CIA,or DOD, or NORAD etc.. Nor the organizations who 
take  the  reports, NICAP,MUFON,CUFON  etc..  People  are not  in this 
because they like collecting reports about plasma balls, or lightning, 
or Venus, or swamp gas, they are in it to find out if they can get the 
"proof" of "alien" visitation.  They are looking for  that case  which 
really might have some hard proof.  I have never said  that all  cases 
are alien either, but I will say this, there are  some that  certainly 
meet  the  criteria, and  exhibit the  characteristics of  intelligent 
control.  As the skeptics so often like to quote: If  it walks  like a 
duck, and quacks like a duck.........
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