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from: Tim Tyler
date: 2004-12-07 22:09:00
subject: Re: Holowness of SBE

Jim McGinn  wrote or quoted:
> Tim Tyler  wrote in message
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> > Jim McGinn  wrote or quoted:

> > > > Hamilton's rule is accepted because the majority 
> > > > of scientists who have taken a hard look at it think it has some 
> > > > validity.
> > > 
> > > Some validity?  What does this supposedly mean?  
> > > Either it is valid or it is invalid.  Sounds like 
> > > nothing more than an excuse for vagueness.

[...]

> > Green beards and linkage provide more wrinkles on Hamilton's rule.
> > 
> > Similarly, Newtonian physics "has some validity" - even though we
> > now have a more accurate theory.
> 
> Relevance?

You asked what "some validity" was supposed to mean (above).

If a theory is either valid or invalid (as you suggest) then
Newtonian physics would have to be identified as an incorrect
theory - since it was refuted by Einstien and others.

However that is a poor characterisation overall - it suggests
the theory is not much use.  It would probably be better to say
that Newtonian physics has some validity.

Similarly with Hamilton's rule - it doesn't necessarily give the right 
answers if the problem involves the green beard effect or segregation
distorters - but then again, the distinctions between gene-level 
relatedness and organism-level relatedness were not something it ever 
claimed to be modelling in the first place.
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