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 -=> Quoting George Jiri Opletal to Paul Andinach <=-
 
 PA> What I meant was that "high maneuverability" is not a valid
 PA> argument for all UFOs, so some might be - what was it we were saying
 PA> they might be? 
 PA> I was only aware of one definition of U.F.O. - "flying object that
 PA> has not been identified". Are there others?
 
      Paul,
         This is an age old argument you are entering.  You are trying 
to twist this around  into saying  well UFO's  are Venus,  and meteors 
etc.   Correct.   Well known.   Long ago  conceded that  yes, in  this 
world, for  many reasons  people have  mistaken the  planet Venus  for 
something they could not identify, therefore my God, its a UFO, and if 
the clouds  were moving,  and the  branches were  swaying it  may have 
actually given the illusion that the planet Venus moved a little.  Now 
it  have  long  ago  been a  given that  95% of  things seen  could be 
attributed  to  excited  people,  dumb  people,  drunk people,  stoned 
people, or any other category you would like  to throw  out.  But  the 
interest point  is that  elusive 5%  or 2%  whichever that  have solid 
witnesses,  strange  characteristics, and  defy explanation  under our 
current  scientific  knowledge,  and  also  exceed  our  technological 
capabilities. Now  in this  grouping of  stories etc,  myths etc,  I am 
willing to listen to all forms of debate and data.
    If you Paul wish to share with me, some piece of information  I do 
not know about, I am most grateful, and that does go for all others of 
a  skeptical  nature.   If  you  say  to me  Fred, I  have information 
concerning that story of Belgium,that seems to indicate this, or  this 
was bogus, because, look at this data, then I will  either agree  with 
you,or say hmmm, I will have to dig a bit more for a judgment.  There 
are some many myths floating around, and one of the problems the way I 
see it, it is easy to dismiss something as a  meteor, or  delusion, in 
some cases you are quite correct.  I agree. But in some other cases, I 
would like to see data on why you think it is bogus. Not just  Klass's 
word  etc,  I  admire  Mr.   Klass,  I  have  read  over  some of  his 
investigations and in some cases he  does make  some very  good points 
that  indicate  hoax.   But  not all.
    So the definition UFO is used in a temporary context  for sake  of 
argument.  In time some are identified. And that is fine. I agree  is 
is highly unlikely that all UFO's are alien. If that were the case you 
would be as I have said long ago,  tripping over  greys when  you went 
out for milk...................
Happy Trails,
Fred.
 Fred.Austin@sphinx.hughestech.com 
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