-=> Quoting Leona Payne to Virginia Blalock <=-
 VB>  When I was in college, most profs just gave no credit for work for
 VB>  these students and went on with teaching those students that went to
 VB>  class. Unlike high school, college students are more considered
 VB>  adults and are not as coddled.
 LP> Hey, if ditching by hangover is the biggest problem professors see (or
 LP> *don't see* since the students aren't there,) for crying out loud,
 LP> give me loads of college students!!!
 No kidding!
 LP> Occasionally, I'm grateful that
 LP> certain less than enthusiastic learners choose to manifest themselves
 LP> physically elsewhere.  The only thing I really used to hate about
 LP> ditchers is all the paperwork I had to fill out when a kid was AWOL.  A
 LP> City of Phoenix program has eliminated much of that for us.
 There is loads of paperwork in k-12 where there isn't in college. The
 college profs I knew marked one absent, but certainly didn't go
 trying to find the kids..
 LP> Funny thing, **every** post-secondary school I've attended here in AZ
 LP> (junior college, university, grad school) has stressed its attendance
 LP> policy prior to registration.  The profs almost always list attendance
 LP> & punctuality as comprising part of the grade & detail how the number
 LP> will affect the final grade.  Two summers ago, one prof even counted
 LP> tardiness to lower grades.  The only classes I took at ASU as an
 LP> undergrad in which attendance wasn't even taken were a couple of
 LP> education lectures which had close to 300 students enrolled.  All the
 LP> others took roll & counted it.
 Well, I knew profs that did that as well. What I was really saying
 was that the profs did not go and make a real effort to get the kids
 to class like is done in the k-12 level. They had their policy and
 they followed it and the students knew it. If they wanted to ditched,
 they ditched, but they were going to have to take their knocks for
 not going to class..
 LP> According to the syllabus of the last class I took, the prof lowered
 LP> the final grade by one letter grade for being absent more than once (we
 LP> had nine class meetings of 5 hours each.)  And FWIW, I NEVER saw a
 LP> single student demonstrate evidence, by word or deed, of being
 LP> intoxicated. 
 I saw a hangover or three over the years, but I never really saw kids
 going to class drunk, either.
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