ls wrote:
> Andre Lieven wrote:
> > "ls" (lsends{at}excite.com) writes:
> > > She took advantage of you because you let her.  It's just as much
> your
> > > fault as it is hers.
> >
> > You tell " date rape victims " that, too ?
>
> Yes, but not in those exact words, it's the same principle.  If you
put
> yourself in a bad situation you can only blame yourself for being
> there.  You can't blame yourself for what someone else does to you
but
> you can certainly take responsibility for being there.  We don't live
> in a perfect world and rape victims learn that the hard way.  You
> simply can't trust everyone and put yourself in harmful situations.
>
> A person can't go around putting themselves in bad situations and not
> take personal responsibility for themselves.  More often than not, if
> you let someone take advantage of you they will.  As in the OP, it's
> especially true for men when it comes to dating women.

I offered a similar argument before and was told my position wasn't
compatible with my previously declared feminism.

This meant I was
a)lying about my beliefs, or
b)lying about being a feminist, or
c)a feminist, despite the seemingly contadictory nature of my beliefs.

And seeing as how on soc.men, a feminist is ALWAYS called a
liar...well, apparently there was just no way to make a point. Unless I
surrendered and said I wasn't a feminist, but that would then mean I
was a sexist.

And if I said I wasn't a feminist it would mean I had seen the light,
hallelujah Praise the Lord.

And seeing as how I was a feminist, that would be "proof" that
feminists were sexists.

Perhaps that's why I keep coming back to this newsgroup, just for that
dizzy spinning sensation I get when I read the threads.



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